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How should we take out our anger?

Asked by jonsblond (43667points) May 1st, 2015

Some of you know my husband became very ill back in February. Since then we’ve been late with rent because Jon missed so much work (unpaid). We’ve been late anywhere from 5–18 days each month.

Today we received 30 days notice to vacate. Jon apologized and told our landlord why we’ve been late and our landlord called him a liar. Jon and I are more upset about this then having to move. We don’t mind moving, but don’t call my husband a liar when he just went through hell and back the past three months. The man has no compassion.

We’re livid. How can I release this anger?

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talljasperman's avatar

Voulenteer at a soup kichten.
Or smash something with a jack hammer. You can also play a violent video game. Edit you can go to a bar and watch the big boxing match tomorrow.

jonsblond's avatar

He’s out there planting soy beans right now. I just flipped him off without him seeing. it felt good

Blueroses's avatar

I didn’t know Jon was ill and I’m so sorry to hear it. You both deserve better karma than you’ve been getting.

In a practical sense, I’d get letters from Jon’s doctor and employer and take them directly to HHPS offices to get a stop to the eviction. As long as you have been making an earnest effort to pay, you can halt the proceedings and get an advocate to mediate.

In a “here & now gotta break something!” sense… well… when I was horribly hopeless and low, I would take a dozen eggs out back and hurl them, just to watch them shatter.

ucme's avatar

Go outside & bang two pans together vigorously while yelling “cuntmuffin” really, really loud.

hominid's avatar

@jonsblond – That sucks. I was extremely tempted not to respond here, but I figured I will. But I want to make it clear that this is just my experience, and may not be helpful for you. You may be able to find your way of dealing with this that works better for you.

I’ll try to keep this short. I have a long history of anger. But I discovered a few things about my anger:
– I thought – I mean really believed – that feeling anger was in some way hurting those that I felt were responsible for doing something I felt was wrong.
– I found that even when people had done things to really hurt me, my anger took constant re-kindling in order to keep it going for any length of time. In order to do this, my mind would spin over and over about what had happened. I might imagine what I could have done, etc. Without this rumination, however, the anger didn’t have any fuel to continue.
– Anger hurt me. I can’t tell you how much of my life was spent in pain. The anger would fuel all kinds of other uncomfortable emotions, such as resentment and helplessness, that would manifest in physical and emotional symptoms.
– The anger never (as in 0% of the time) resulted in something positive for me or anyone I loved.

I find that I still do get angry. But rather than find a way to “take it out”, I tend to let it “run its course”. I’ll let it do its thing, but I take it far less seriously. There is something very convincing about anger – it screams to be taken seriously. But when I take a really close look at it, I find its call unconvincing. And this allows me to feel it and let it go*.

* That doesn’t mean that I am a doormat. I still know what is right and I’m very protective of what I value most – my family. So, when the anger is related to my family in any way, it is quite convincing. I allow myself to feel it, but only act when I am no longer under its grip. I find that I am more effective when I am no longer angry. I am more convincing, and people know that I mean business – but I come without anger.

This is all unlikely to be of any help to you, because you have been legitimately wronged. I am feeling some contact anger here, so I can’t imagine what you are going through. I honestly wish you guys the best and I hope you find a way to resolve your situation. You’re unlikely to convince your landlord of anything or to have him feel sorry for what he has said and done. But I hope that there are people in your life that are willing to reach out and help you in your time of need. You may have already, but I know asking for help is difficult for many people. I think it’s easier to provide it in many cases than to ask.

It’s ok to be angry. You have a right to your emotions. You also should have a right to housing. I honestly wish you the best in this struggle. Please keep us updated.

Pandora's avatar

Unfortunately this world is full of liars so it often falls upon us to provide some proof of our honesty. I remember 2 residents that use to rent from the apartments I worked for. One resident was a lovely military wife who one time needed a ride to the hospital with her new baby because her husband was at work and couldn’t get a ride. I couldn’t leave and asked my husband to give her a ride. Nice sweet young couple. Then a month later she couldn’t pay the rent because she was sick and a neighbor complained about a dog in her apartment barking. Well we went and found out the dog belonged to her visiting mom. Then we found out she couldn’t pay the next months rent. She said she was sick and couldn’t work or do anything. Found out she had a boob job.

Then the other lady who was always late. My boss kept giving her some slack because she was a single mom barely making ends meet. Then she skipped 2 months rent and bought a new fully loaded SUV and had her boyfriend move in with her and he wasn’t helping to pay any of the bills.

Then there was another couple. Sad story after sad story. And they skipped out. Oh, and so did the boob lady. She left her husband and they left before the contract was up.
Then there was another single mom. Working hard and after the first 3 months fell at work and hurt her back. She came in and said she would be late because she was on light duty and could only do her job for a few hours and she was hoping that the work would pay her something for the injury. Well they stiffed her and said it was her fault.

So I figured here goes another one with a sad tale. Well she wanted to make sure we believed her and showed us the doctors note and he had on there the name and address and phone number for us to call if we had any questions. So we let her stay and the next month she said she could not live there for free and would pay us back. Well I didn’t believe her till she came in every 2 weeks and kept paying us till she was paid in full. Trust in humanity restored. But I was beginning to believe everyone was a liar.

At that time I was also renting (my own home) to a couple who kept coming up with reasons why they couldn’t pay rent on time because work schedule had slowed down and her husband was sick. But hey. Luckily they had the money to take the whole family to disney world for a week. Meanwhile I’m paying my own rent and the mortgage on the house and helping my daughter with her finances at the time and barely making the payments. But hey. I’m glad they had a good time at Disney. NOT.

So don’t be mad. It may be that he’s been taken advantage of too many times and lied to, to many times to believe you without proof. But I understand your anger. I’ve been called a liar before and it made me so angry, I wanted to rip someones head off. But after having my own trust in humanity tested sooooo many times. I’ve come to understand why people doubt others without proof of deception.

anniereborn's avatar

Write him a letter telling him all the things you feel, then rip it up or burn it or do anything but send it.
You could also pretend a stuffed animal or pillow or whatever works is him and go off on “him”.

Coloma's avatar

All I have to offer is a heartfelt “I’m so sorry!”
Life sure can flatline us at times, I know.
I’d tell him how you feel, you don;t have to be over the top angry but you can express yourself honestly. You’d be doing it for yourselves not to convince him of anything. If nothing else you would get your anger off your chest.

I once rented a house and was a model tenant for almost 7years. I paid my rent EARLY every month, was never late, improved the property, kept everything immaculate and my landlords were constantly telling me how great I was and that I was, of course, the best tenant they had ever had!
They invited me to parties, said how they bragged about me to all their other friends that had rental houses and told me they just loved me.
Yeah, until I moved and they found a way to keep every cent of my deposit, PLUS charge me for made up “damages” that were nothing more than normal wear & tear after 7 years.

They charged me $700 to replace a bathroom sink that had a microscopic chip on it that they claimed would rust out the sink even though I had repaired it myself, re-enamaled it and it was perfectly fine, no issues.
They Itemized all sorts of trumped up and ridiculous things like a tiny little scratch on the inside of a closet door, and after I paid a professional cleaning service over $200 to do the final cleaning ( the place was in great shape as it was ) pulled out the fridge, stove, washed the windows, etc. etc. They said the windows were not clean enough and charged me another $150. It was unbelievable how they just became absolutely cut throat in the end,
and I was SO angry.

I told them that I knew I was the best tenant they ever had and I felt completely raped and taken advantage of and that they were the most two faced and phoney people I had ever met. haha

Didn’t change anything but at least I felt better.

JLeslie's avatar

I get it! What I would probably do is stack together pages of documentation from the hospital and doctor visits and send it to the landlord. Nothing you wouldn’t want shared with the world, because you won’t be able to control what he does with it. Like you might get together the bills, but not the actual chart of his illness. You could send it right away or after you move. It’s fine if he needs his money, but it isn’t fine for him to question your honesty.

If I sent all if it is hope he at least felt like shit for a while. Or, maybe he will remember this situation when someone doesn’t believe him.

Or, do nothing and hope with time it becomes less emotional for you.

I’m so sorry for everything you, Jon and your whole family has gone through. I feel like a lot of jellies have gone through some terrible years recently. Something has gotta give.

jonsblond's avatar

Thank you so much everyone. I’m thinking of leaving a note when we leave with a copy of all of Jon’s medical bills. I’m also drinking more beer than I should. I don’t have to be anywhere tomorrow so I can sleep in.

ibstubro's avatar

Fuck him. He can’t just throw you out.
“If the tenant is being evicted for not paying rent on time, the landlord must give the tenant five days’ notice to pay the rent (this is called a notice to quit or notice to pay rent or quit). If the tenant does not pay the rent within the five days, then the landlord can proceed with filing an eviction lawsuit, also known as a forcible entry and detainer suit in Illinois ”

Pandora's avatar

@ibstubro It’s different in different states. That does exist for first time offenders in most states but you can give an unconditional quit notice in most states if any of these violations has happened.

Unconditional Quit Notices are the harshest of all.
They order the tenant to vacate the premises with no chance to pay the rent or correct a lease or rental agreement violation. In most states, unconditional quit notices are allowed only when the tenant has:

repeatedly violated a significant lease or rental agreement clause
been late with the rent on more than one occasion
seriously damaged the premises, or
engaged in serious illegal activity, such as drug dealing on the premises.

ibstubro's avatar

Both @jonsblond and I are in Illinois, @Pandora.
I knew that and that was the basis for the link.

jonsblond's avatar

I really appreciate the legal advice. We’re happy to leave this home but it’s difficult to find a rental that’s pet friendly. We have two blue heelers that need space to roam.

ibstubro's avatar

I think Illinois is all on your side as tenant, @jonsblond.

Pandora's avatar

Hey, if you need extra eyes to help look for a place let me know. Give me the zip code of the area you will like to live and number of rooms and I will help you look on line. You can pm me if you don’t want that type of info all over fluther.

DrasticDreamer's avatar

Pee all over his soy beans. I was going to say have your dogs do it, but that wouldn’t be as satisfying. :D

Really, though, I like the idea you have about leaving a note and copies of his medical bills.

I have nothing productive to add to any of this, unfortunately, I just wanted to say I’m sorry and I really hope that stuff looks up for you guys soon.

cookieman's avatar

If you’re “happy to leave” to be away from this fucking moron of a landlord, that’s fine — but I would suggest looking into the legal advice above so that, at minimum, you can extend your time to find a new place.

As you say, it’s difficult with pets and you shouldn’t feel rushed into just any place.

Is the stress of this forced move bad for Jon’s health issues? I am so sorry this is happening to you guys. Sucks. What an ass.

(How about a Voodoo Doll?)

jonsblond's avatar

Stress does not help him at all @cookieman. It does make his symptoms worse.

Coloma's avatar

Oh how I wish Voodoo dolls were real.
Sticking pin in jerk landlords penis. lol

SmashTheState's avatar

I’ve spent my entire life trying to answer this question.

I’m an altruist. I was born an altruist. There is a growing body of evidence that altruism is genetic, and that an altruist has no more choice in being an altruist than a sociopath has in being a sociopath. Certainly I know that my compulsion to help others is so uncontrollable that I could no sooner refuse than I could cut my own throat. In the limbic brain are “mirror cells” responsible for allowing us to empathize, to project ourselves into another person and ask how we would feel in that person’s situation. Sociopaths have too few or malfunctioning mirror cells; altruists have too many. When I see injustice or unfairness, I feel pain as if it was happening to me. My choice was to live with the rage and pain of the entire world… or find some way to do something about it.

In the beginning I tried a long, long list of things, methods I’d been told could be used to fight injustice. I invested time volunteering for political parties, reading political literature, talking to politicians, writing letters to the editor, and so on. It didn’t take me long to realize that I could spend my entire life doing that and not change one single thing. So I went to college and began studying journalism; if I couldn’t effect change myself through the system, I could alert others to do the same. It took me even less time to realize that “alerting others” does sweet fuck-all when (a) there are so many others creating the problems who have much, much bigger megaphones, and (b) most people don’t really care for anything beyond either themselves, their family, or their tribe, depending on the efficacy of their mirror cells. It was then that I decided that “sending a message” and working within the system was a total waste of time.

Once I had realized that “the system” was a shell game designed to waste the time, energy, and resources of the small handful of people trying to fix the problems, it wasn’t hard to decide that my choices were either to learn how to swallow my rage or to begin smashing my way out of the system and forcing the world to change through sheer manifestation of Will. You’re in a similar situation right now. You can either internalize your anger or externalize it; that is, you can either focus the Thanatos—the destructive urge—on yourself, or you can focus it on someone else. The towering, white-hot, unconquerable mountain of rage I live with can’t be let entirely loose without harming a lot of people who don’t deserve it. I’m forced to swallow a lot of it and have therefore been forced to live my whole life with untreatable clinical depression. But there are times and places where, through careful planning and understanding of the broader situation, I have been able to simply let loose; to stop swallowing that anger and turn it wholly free, gibbering and howling. See my avatar? That photo of me comes from a newspaper article about an action I organized. The rage and passion you see here is real, the monster let loose complete with flecks of saliva in my beard.

The way I was able to find something I could profitably invest my rage in was to work backwards from my goals, something I now teach young organizers. I had to decide what it is I really wanted, what I would consider my “goal line.” Then I methodically worked out what skills, resources, and pre-conditions I would need to bring it about. These things were also out of my reach, so I needed to work out which skills, resources, and pre-conditions would need to be available to reach those steps. Then I repeated the whole thing again and again until I reached a point where I already had everything I needed to achiever it. The result was a very clear, step-by-step map of everything I needed to have and know and do to to fix the terrible injustices which burn my soul like fire.

You need to sit down with your husband and figure out what your goal line is. You can’t do anything until you know exactly what it is you’re aiming for. Do you want to stay where you’re living now? Punish your landlord? Punish all landlords? Completely destroy the oppressive system of rents and propertariansism? Whatever it is, when you’re both in agreement that this will satisfy your rage, you need to figure out how to transform your anger from hot to cold. Flaming, incandescent rage is good for charging a line of riot police, but it’s counter-productive when you’re trying to make plans. You must learn how to use your anger to make you cold and focused. That cold rage can allow you to ignore hunger, fatigue, despair, and fear, and keep you going long after everyone else has given up. You’ll know when your anger has switched from hot to cold because it’ll feel like a big lump of ice in your chest. You’ll feel remarkably calm, but with an impossible, sharpened-to-a-razor-edge focus. Once you’ve got that, you can begin working out the steps necessary to fix your situation, working backwards from your goal. And when you reach the point where you’ve got a direct path between where you are now and your goal, it’s simply a matter of having the necessary force of Will to take step after grim, furious step to walk that path.

Many years ago, I was in city hall, in a meeting with a bunch of city councillors and the city’s legal department. We had set up a street newspaper distribution system so panhandlers wouldn’t have to beg; they could sell newspapers instead. They liked it because they felt better about themselves and made more money. Passsers-by liked it because it wasn’t just people with their hands out expecting a gift. The police liked it because they stopped getting complaints. It was win/win for everyone. Everyone, that is, except for the business associations, who are totally butt-blasted about street vending, and have spent decades and huge sums of money shutting it down. We had been getting around the anti-vending bylaws by having people distributing the newspapers “for a suggested donation.” At this meeting, the city’s lawyers had just announced they were changing the definition of “vending” in the bylaw to mean “handing anything to anyone without the intention of getting it back.” It was completely outrageous, and it meant the end of our program.

I remember very clearly what happened next, because every detail is etched in my memory in incredible detail. I remember who was present, what the room looked like, where I was sitting at the table, what the clock read, and what I was wearing. I had just finished saying that we wouldn’t let them shut us down, that we’d break their law and fight it in court. The city councillor sitting across from me visibly sneered, leaned forward, and said, “Do you think we care? Go ahead. We don’t care.”

And at that moment I got a surge of fight-or-flight adrenaline like I’ve only rarely felt before, and generally only in life-threatening situations. I knew then that I was either going to reach across that table and smash the councillor in the face – or I was about to dedicate a significant portion of the rest of my life to making her care. My rage flipped from hot to cold and I made the iron-shod existential decision that I would do anything necessary to make her care. I don’t remember what happened after that. The rest of the meeting is a blur in my memory. But the moment of my decision is burned into my soul with fire. And I have spent the subsequent 15 years organizing the street, going to war with the police and business and city hall and any son of a bitch who gets in my way. And my cold rage is just as strong today as it was that day when I sat across from a city councillor and dedicated my life to shoving her words down her throat.

Right now you’re feeling powerless and helpless because you don’t know what to do. If you can work out a plan and use your helpless rage to focus yourself on that path, you will find that you have the strength of force of Will to do whatever is necessary, whether it’s fighting in court, picketing the landlord’s home, convincing media to cover your story, or putting a bullet in your landlord’s brainpan.

Coloma's avatar

putting a bullet in your landlords brainpan. Excellent problem solving, so they can go to prison for the rest of their lives and die alone apart from each other and their children. Brilliant solution.
The situation sucks, the landlord was wrong and unkind and a dick to call them liars, but if you don’t pay your rent you will get evicted.

The landlord has done nothing illegal, only been a weenie to them personally.

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JLeslie's avatar

@SmashTheState OMG, I know that feeling so well. I want to do everything in my power to put my builder out of business. I am willing to sacrifice time to torture him by showing up at every meeting coming up where they try to get approval from communities and cities and counties to build new projects. I want them to dread seeing me walk through the door. I’m trying to decide whether to threaten that to get everything they should have done for me in the first place. Actually, what I really want is for them to take my house back and then I will let all the abuse they put me through drop and be a thing of the past. Probably neither thing will happen for multiple reasons, but not because I don’t have the anger, will, or energy to do it. I have built more than one house and I have never seen anything like this.

It does make me think I might look into consumer advocacy and maybe even working with political partners to address some of laws regarding construction in my state.

Lawn's avatar

I’m sorry to hear about your situation.

If you decide to put an envelope under his door (with a note and medical docs), be sure to include a SHITLOAD of glitter. Glitter is ”the herpes of the craft world.” Once you get it on you, it is there forever. When he pulls the note out, the glitter will spill out everywhere, ruining his life.

There are businesses that offer this service, but it’s probably more satisfying to DIY. Just make sure to get the extra-fine glitter.

jonsblond's avatar

Lol. I love that idea @Lawn. I can just picture the good ole farmer with glitter all over his hands.

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