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Do you think Senate Bill 1070 is justified?

Asked by dreamwolf (3163points) September 19th, 2011
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Is it okay to have police be able to pull over anyone they feel is an illegal immigrant? Doesn’t this put Americans with dark brown skin in the racial profiling category? Similarly, doesn’t this remind one of the Gestapo?

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filmfann's avatar

Are you refering to Arizona SB1070? The anti-illegal immigration bill that requires registration of any non-US citizen after 30 days in this country?
Was the PEI WEI restaurant hiring illegal immigrants?
Before answering this question, I would like more information.

dreamwolf's avatar

@filmfann I believe there is only one SB1070 with multiple states also signing into their legislation. Yes, the same bill that did not exist when the Native Americans were here, before European colonists decided to rape this land and call it their own. Yeah, that one.

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Was the PEI WEI restaurant hiring illegal immigrants?

dreamwolf's avatar

@filmfann I don’t know. But they had the right to take anyone who was Brown skinned which they did into custody.

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@dreamwolf __But they had the right to take anyone who was Brown skinned which they did into custody.__

No they don’t. You are misreading the law.

dreamwolf's avatar

@filmfann Don’t tell me how I’m reading. I’m a journalist and speak by facts. Tell me, how this applies to anyone but a brown skinned person.

(senate bill 1070 article 8, lines 37–39
e. a law enforcement officer, without a warrant, may arrest a person if the officer has probable cause to believe that the person has committed any public offense that makes the person removable from the united states)

Is that fair? How do you define “probably cause” @filmfann? Don’t tell me this isn’t a racist profiling law, because it is.

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e. a law enforcement officer, without a warrant, may arrest a person if the officer has probable cause to believe that the person has committed any public offense that makes the person removable from the united states)

But they had the right to take anyone who was Brown skinned which they did into custody.__

You don’t see a difference? How does the bill language identify Brown skinned people?
How does it limit the application to brown skinned individuals.
You’re a journalist? May I ask what publications you work for?

dreamwolf's avatar

I’ve worked for the Southwestern College Sun. I’ve been recognized by the SPJ’s I don’t think I have to prove to you how much balance and facts I look for to complete a story. I’m dropping an opinion on you at this point. You’re just trying to personally attack my credentials which has nothing to do with this argument, so you have good debating skills, so you know how to deter, yet, you cannot see that “e. a law enforcement officer, without a warrant, may arrest a person if the officer has probable cause to believe that the person has committed any public offense that makes the person removable from the united states” affects only people of skinned color. Do you truly believe me to be naive? Do you think a cop under this fascist law is going to pass judgement on a blonde haired, fair skinned character? No way, they’re going to target brown skinned people. Does this make sense to you yet?

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There is a difference, of course, in how a law is written, and how it is used. Every law is like that. The law you cite doesn’t limit an officer to any race, or collection of races. By your logic, if the officer doesn’t like fat people, he could harass them.
Do you believe an officer doesn’t have the right to arrest someone if the officer has probable cause to believe the person has committed a public offense?

The Southwestern College Sun? You’re describing yourself as a journalist because you wrote for a college newspaper? I used to write for a school paper, but I would never consider myself a journalist unless it was at a professional level. College papers aren’t exactly known for balancing the facts. Writing for a college paper is about the same as blogging.
You’re right in saying that you don’t need to prove how you balance the facts. Your line of thought in the OP dispells that.

dreamwolf's avatar

@filmfann When the Society of Professional Journalists hands someone an award, I believe the job was well done. If you did you research, you’d discover that that newspaper is ridiculously well established in the awards department. And you obviously weren’t taught that professionalism starts the moment you decided to abide by the Journalism manifesto. Please stop belittling what you think to know, because it reveals you are just small minded. Don’t go around telling other people what they are. Of course your tactic of pulling me into a personal dual has nothing to do with the question, and therefore I understand your game and merry go around logical tactics.

” if the officer doesn’t like fat people, he could harass them.” That is not by my logic. Because the line that precedes, reveals a whole lot. It’s not just a public offense that can cause one to go to jail. if the officer has probable cause to believe that the person has committed any public offense/ that makes the person removable from the united states. I put a ”/” in the middle where you separated it and tried to manipulate it as your own. It’s actually one whole sentence and the latter part of the sentence is referring to an illegal status. But they cannot know, they can only be suspicious, and that only applies to brown people. Don’t be naive please and realize there are legal brown citizens in Arizona that hate this law because they get pulled over. Look, I respect you, but don’t try and make me chase a ball that doesn’t exist. Just answer the question that I OP. Don’t question me. I want to know what people think, whether or not it’s justified.

filmfann's avatar

That simply isn’t what the line says. You are reading too much into it.
I don’t expect to convince you at this point, and since you and I are the only ones posting on this question, I will simply let this go.

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