The conjunct quincunx at the cusp and ascendants in the aspect indicate complete Taurus, starchild.

The stars dictated when you were born, just as much as they have guided your life. That is your destiny, why you were born when you were.

It seems to me the Universe would only allow a birthtime to be as intended.

Some may say early or late, but intended is an individual thing, and not necessarily average.

Your birth time is your birth time. That is what your star chart is based on. Otherwise, it would be figured according to conception instead of birth.

Astrology uses the actual date of birth, not the intended one.

The time you came into the world is the assigned time of your birth chart. From now on any changes will be recorded into the progressed chart. Your intended date of birth is now part of your progressed chart instead.

Mimi, my use of intended date means actual date.
Calculated date is not the same thing as intended date, as intended by whatever force(s) of the universe determines the actual date of birth.
Doctors make a calculated estimate, but they don’t know what is actually intended for any given birth.
So, we said essentially the same thing.

Astrology has absolutely NOTHING to do with Astrophysics and space. It is fairy tales and old gods. Entertainment value only.

I think lunar cycles would affect both in utero development and the actual delivery.

lunar cycles and birth frequency

lunar cycles and menstruation

lunar cycles and gender

lunar cycles and cardiovascular

PS Their.

We know that the moon has a gravitational effect on Earth. We know women menstruate every generally 28 to 31 days and they can link up to the lunar calendar. Distant stars have nothing other than our curiosity, mythology and now, first we catalogued them with using glass plates in the 19th century (the work was done by women at Harvard University, read The Glass Universe by Dava Sobel for a excellent account of the work done by these amazing women) and now we get to explore them with kick ass orbiting telescopes. Astrology is in the same bucket as tarot cards, crystals that heal and homeopathy.

Yeah, but science is chock full of what if, and amazing stuff we used to think was ridiculous, like something which eats styrofoam, and is no worse for it.

But we do know about gravitational forces and can plot stars size and distance and even chemical make up. Also, star signs were totally wrong for a very long period of time by their own standards, because these star ‘charts’ were never updated. They recently went through an upgrade and I think they added a sign or something to compensate. When the ancients were making those star charts they didn’t know what we now know about the galaxy and didn’t even know enough to adjust them for how the skies changed.
A study has just been released that is looking at correlation between the time of year (seasonally) you are born and the child’s weight, but that is seasonally connected, not astrology because, as we know, the astrology signs don’t change south of the equator, but the seasons do.
So, astrology is not ‘space science’. It is mythology mixed with crystal ball gazing, and if you’re into that, that’s great and fun, but it isn’t based in anything scientific. It’s fun to think about, like who would win in a fight, Aquaman or Spiderman.

No, because astrology is not real. It’s a plaything, in the same way that fortune telling is a plaything. It has no basis in reality.

Think about it. If every single person who was born on the same day had the exact same traits, they would all be exactly the same. Even identical twins (and especially fraternal twins) don’t fit that bill. Not any more than someone born 24 hours later (in the next zodiac sign) or 24 years later.

We all have some traits in common (which is what astrology plays up, so you “realize” that you do have those same traits) and we all have our own unique traits. Those are the ones that astrology conveniently neglects to mention.

The current systems of how people utilize astronomy is pretty flawed.

But I do believe the general concept that the time and location of your birth affects you.

I don’t see astronomy as the stars telling you about your fate necessarily. But rather, as a method to pinpoint time and location.

I’m not going to argue about whether astrology is valid here because it’s pretty pointless for a fight. Although I would like the people arguing against astrology to name some basic terms in astrology they know and tell me the meaning :P I doubt that the OP is really that interested in astrology either. If he did he wouldn’t use the word “sign” here.

I just want to say that astrology has helped me with my spiritual growth personally. It explains a lot about human’s psyche in easy-to-understand terms. I have taken a great interest in psychology lately and astrology is a complement to my psychology study. There is still a lot of stuff I’m suspicious about astrology like the past life theory, but even if astrology turns out to be completely unreal, it has at least helped me grow as a person.

I don’t know the official answer, but I agree with the jelly who said that it’s most likely the universe intended the person to be born under the sign he/age was born under. If you believe in astrology I’m thinking you might as well believe that there is fate and balance in the universe.

I was born early, and my actual due date would have put me into another astrological sign. My whole life my aunt, who was born under the same sign as me, who enjoyed astrology, I think she enjoyed that I was a Capricorn also. Plus, we were born in the same month as an added bonus. I have garnet jewelry handed down to me. She passed away not very long ago.

My husband was two months early.

@raum we are talking about astrology, not astronomy. One is hocus pocus, the other is science.

My earlier response was meant to be tongue-in-cheek, that if you are buying onto astrology, then you have to buy into the stars wanted you to be born prematurely.

My mother was induced into labor because I was two weeks late. If I were on time, I’d have been a Taurus and not a Gemini.

@zenvelo Yes, I get that there is a distinction between the two. But I also think there’s a relation between the two.

Astronomy being the study of stars and space. And astrology being how the position of stars (time and location) affects your birth and other events.

But it doesn’t, in any scientific way, affect your birth and other events. The only thing they have in common are the presence of stars. If you believe in it, it’s assuredly to have an affect on you, but that is what is called ‘self fulfilled prophesy’ or ‘placebo effect’. Both of which can be very positive things. Just to be clear.

I’m not saying the zodiac is legit.

I’m saying if the lunar cycle can affect menstrual cycles, it’s probably affecting levels of hormones. Which in turn could easily affect in utero development or conditions of delivery.

I don’t think we are necessarily able to pinpoint those effects just yet.

”...if the lunar cycle can affect menstrual cycles,”

That is a big If.

A study of 7.5 million menstural cycles found no correlation to lunar cycles.

A 1986 study and a 1980 study actually did find that a woman’s menstrual cycle was likely to be in sync with the moon’s phases.he first study cited found that women were more likely to menstruate during the new moon. Meanwhile, the second study found that women were more likely to ovulate during the new moon, completely contradicting the other study.

And, A 2013 study in the journal Endocrine Regulations that monitored 74 women’s cycles for a full year found no correlation between the menstrual cycle and moon phases.

@raum Why not other mammals then? Why don’t they have monthly lunar cycles to their fertility? Because the moon’s gravity doesn’t actually have an impact on human or other animal’s hormones. (we can talk about the moon light and insects, though because that is a thing.) Bonobos, our very close relatives, have a fertility cycle that varies from 31 days to 51 days and has no relation to lunar phases. Also, tidal forces on the surface of the planet vary a great deal. Off the coast of Breast, France, there are extreme tides, but in other parts of the globe, the difference is small enough as to not dry dock ships. The moon’s impact on the planet is on a macro-level. The reason we anthropocentrify all these things goes back to your psychological, human need to find meaning and patterns in our lives that make us the centre and reason of the universe, and we will always try to see things that aren’t there and science is there to prove it one way or another. In the case of astrology, science has stamped it with a red ‘Nope’. But, like I said earlier, it has entertainment value.

How does the phenomenon of premature birth play into the whole biorhythm ‘fad’ that was so popular about 20 years ago?

someone just corrected me.. I meant Brest, France. My sincere apologies for anyone who did an image google search…. :O (or sorry, not sorry?)

All I can say is this: a friend was born in late December and has no personality characteristics that match up to the standard Capricorn descriptors. I asked him if his birth was early or late, and he said, “No”. Then he asked his mother. She told him that he was born five weeks early. This would have made him an Aquarius, had he been born closer to his due date.

@zenvelo The first study sounds very large. Ideal for a study on lunar cycles. But if we are talking about lunar cycles in relation to astrology, you’ve most likely haven’t kept location as a control.

I would guess that the two studies in 1986 and 1980 were large enough to notice a correlary. And I wouldn’t read their results as contradictory to astrology if done in different locations.

The last study with 74 participants is just too small to say much of anything one way or another.

@ScienceChick I don’t think astrology necessarily tries to make us the centre and reason of the universe? (Are you thinking about the Bible?)

I consider both science and math as studies of patterns that already exist all around us.

Science as a type of methodology for testing the patterns observed. And how to recreate these patterns in a lab or clinical setting.

Math is more of a language. A way to code these patterns so it’s easier to manipulate.

Both scientists and mathematicians look for patterns that others do not see.

And while I understand the inclination to dismiss the symbolic aspects of astrology, I wouldn’t dismiss folklore as an effective mnemonic device.

@raum a ‘mnemonic device’? You mean as a way of remember the past folklore? Yeah, sure.

@ScienceChick Folklore as a way to pass on generations of observations.

Astronomy does the same thing with less mumbo jumbo.

Your birth date does have an effect on your life.
It determines when you may vote, legally drink, be dropped from your parents’ medical insurance, and when you can collect Social Security.

^^Mine meant that but for 3 days, I could have been a deduction on my parents’ tax return the year before. Oh, and it should have meant getting me into kindergarten when I was 51/2, but my parents got me in at 41/2. My mom needed a break, and nursery school costs money. I was the last of my friends in my grade to get a driver’s license, because I was always the youngest in my grade.

It also meant I very often returned to school on my birthday after Christmas break.

Now, it’s a day following two months of holiday chaos, and everyone is tired.

I have fallen down a rabbit hole…