That is so old school.

This is 2020

Fuck that dress code. I don’t own heels or skirts. That stuff sucks.

That depends. Do the guys have to wear skirts and heels and shave their legs? Because if not they can go screw themselves.
The only reason that I can see this necessary is if you make wine the old fashion way by stomping on them in which case heels will not be required.

Everyone has their own price.

Would you do it for $120K? Suppose the salary was $500K? Suppose it was $1 million?

At what point do your ideals get sold out?.

Yeah I don’t know. I genuinely hate how I look in skirts or heels. I am not confident enough and heels just hurt my feet.

I’d be getting paid a lot, but I would also be miserable. I really hate wearing that stuff so I don’t see myself being happy even if I liked the job.

Fine with me….. if it ends there. I love dresses, heels not so much. Hopefully kitten heels count.

Unless there was a reason, like working at Disney as Cinderella, it is unlikely.

I used to have to wear pantyhose if I wore a skirt, I had to wear a jacket if I wore slacks, and I had to have a closed toe shoe with a back on it. Stores that used to have these rules finally solved the problem by requiring employees wear black. A comfortable “uniform” can greatly solve some of the ridiculous rules that used to be in place. Although, uniforms can be just as bad, because the uniform could be anything.

In my opinion almost all jobs requiring heals should be illegal. I loved heals when I was younger, I wore them every day, but can’t now. I still love them, but I have muscle trouble that makes it more difficult now. If they are just the right height I can wear them for several hours.

The courts have found in the past that of the dress code is essential to business (revenue) it can be justified. In an office where no customers see you it would not be justified in my opinion.

@Pied_Pfeffer I’m not even sure Cinderella should have to wear heals. I guess the glass slipper had a heal. I don’t think it’s significant. Her dress and hair are what I notice.

I feel like it may not stop there. If they can tell me what to wear, will they tell me how short the skirt should be, how low my cleavage should be?
Will they tell me I have to entertain clients?
Just too much that I can’t abide by and would end up telling someone off.

Unless its a modelling job that requires this I would seriously consider if I was been lead to be an Escort or something.
CEO’s usually dress conservative in heels, or pumps so unless this is the reason, forget it.

I should add I am in favor of dress code rules, they just need to be reasonable and equally applied to men and women, or as close as you can get understanding there are some differences.

@JLeslie, the point is, Disney can dictate what their employees wear because they are considered “actors”. This includes no tattoos, no piercings, etc.

@JLeslie It’s still ridiculous. Do men suddenly forget that a woman is a woman if she wears pants or doesn’t wear high heels? The part that gets me is the high heels. Not everyone can wear them. Why are women the only ones required to wear something that just wrecks your body? I mean, men’s pants look better without a bulge. So should men be required to tuck their package up under them so their pants look smoother upfront?
I get playing a character maybe something else though. But if you have a long dress should you have to shave your legs or wear high heels. Especially in a job where you are probably going to be on your feet all day.

Check with your state Department of Labor to see if it’s legit that they can ask you to do that.

@Pied_Pfeffer Interesting distinction that I hadn’t thought of. I looked at few Disney videos, here’s one https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OaoKxl7PLyQ and I can’t see Cinderella’s feet in almost any of them from Disney World. I suspect most of them wear some sort of dance shoe, flat to maybe 3 inches tops. True about Disney having strict rules about tattoos, hair, nails, etc.

@Pandora Agreed about the high heels. It’s almost always sexist. Some women want to wear a heal, because they feel their short height puts them at a disadvantage in a room of men. Or, not even among men, I know plenty of women who are self conscious about being short, even when they aren’t even very short.

That’s an absolute no. I will not wear high heels to work ever for any salary.

What if someone were handicapped and could not wear heels?

@jca2 Medical accommodation.

@JLeslie I’m short and use to love heels. I can’t wear them anymore without catching a cramp on my arch or having the balls of my feet in severe pain. Longer-looking legs definitely look better and plus I just loved the look of heels. But it should be a choice one makes for themselves. Not forced for employment. Short men aren’t required to wear heels. All the above requirements are definitely sexist.

@JLeslie: I know the person should be eligible for a medical accommodation but from the description, it sounds like the requirement is rigid.

@Pandora I’m “tall” and loved heals, but hated how tall they made me. Lol.

What I mean is I really don’t like being the tallest woman in the room when there is a bunch of much shorter women. I’m 5’6” so with men a 3 inch heal I’m still usually their height or shorter, but a lot of women I know are 5’2” and if I have heals on I’m over a half foot taller. One on one I don’t even notice height, but in a group I feel like I’m towering.

Men have rules too. Wear a tie, wear a jacket, length of hair, No shirt sleeves, only collared shirts, but rules for women can often be about expensive for women, like buying pantyhose that easily run, and can be either about covering up women’s figure or showing it off, and both can go too far.

The reason I agree with some rules for dress code is if companies aren’t specific there will be employees who wear some inappropriate apparel, some people have no judgement, and of course dress code for safety is important.

@jca2 I agree.

Ask the women in Japan. I don’t know what percentage hate having to wear heels and stockings and dresses, but they’ve been protesting.

From: https://www.cnn.com/style/article/japan-minister-high-heels-intl/index.html

“There are currently no laws that restrict companies from regulating employees’ work wear. Japan currently ranks bottom among the G7 countries for gender equality.”

I have a typo above. It should be no short sleeves for men at some places of businesses. A lot of the rules has loosened up in the last 20 years though.

I would think there might also be some gender bias in the dress code. What if someone said they don’t wear skirts, maybe because they’re gay?

@jca2 I’m completely against requiring women to wear skirts. I think women should always have an option to wear slacks.

An exception would be playing a part of role like Cinderella as @Pied_Pfeffer pointed out before.

@JLeslie Yeah but it’s not painful nor does it destroy the body or feet.

@Pandora I agree, shoes are a whole other level. I’ve never worked for an employee that required wearing heals. Just the opposite most employers are worried about the stability and safety of shoes, because an accident is the last thing they want in the job.

I’m curious to ask my girlfriend who worked for Pan Am if they had to wear heals. The airlines were famous for ridiculous requirements for stewardesses, and I purposely avoid the term flight attendant there.

I have seen undergarments written into dress codes. I’m pretty sure it was in my dress code at Bloomingdales and Macy’s.

@JLeslie: How would an employer know what undergarments someone is wearing? The only thing I could think of is if a woman doesn’t wear a bra, it might be obvious.

@jca2 Yeah, bra is the main thing. Supposedly, you had to wear underwear too, but I honestly don’t remember if that was actually written in black and white.

You had to wear a bra, and you couldn’t have bra straps showing. You had to be covered up appropriately.

The bra strap thing makes sense. As for underwear, I don’t know how they’d know.

I used to wear heels and skirts all the time. I wanted to look professional.

Never in my life have I worn either heels or a dress to work.

Well, you’re a guy so….

The only time I ever wore a dress and heels, was to hitch a ride on a busy street.

smh!

@Dutchess_III “I used to wear heels and skirts all the time. I wanted to look professional.”

Same, never thought anything of it, that’s just professional attire. I also loved fancy pantsuits and jumpers and adored my heels. The last pair of boots I bought had 6” heels, really beautiful, and I ended up giving them to a friend. I just couldn’t do it at 46 years old, haha!

I guess I’d be a bit concerned about who or what was behind such a requirement. Am I working in a place rife with sexual harassment?