I know with Moderna you need to get one shot and then a booster 10–14 days later so the first is not effective yet. I don’t know how long after the second but my DIL will get it soon so I’ll find out.

Antibodies in your blood one to three weeks after infection or vaccination

I’m told it’s pretty quick.

According to a report I heard this morning, about one week after the second shot which comes three weeks after the first.

Two weeks after first dose you get partial immunity.

7–10 days after second dose you should be above 90%.

This town hall was great taking questions about the vaccine with Fauci. Forward to 17:45 if you don’t want to watch the whole thing and someone asks a Q about immunity just after that point.

If you have the time watch the whole video.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/05/app-news-section/full-coronavirus-town-hall-december-4/index.html

The JnJ vaccine is 10–14 days after you start building immunity. It’s not approved yet. It’s a single dose. He talks about that too on the video if you keep watching after the 17:45 minute.

Read this:
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/fda-says-2-participants-pfizer-covid-vaccine-trial-have-died

Bad result of vaccine!

From your article @Inspired_2write “To be sure, it’s unclear whether the participants who died succumbed to vaccine-related complications, or whether they even received a vaccine at all (they could have received a placebo).”

NOT NECESSARILY VACCINE !

Don’t be an anti-Vaxxer !

People will die by not taking the vaccine.

@Inspired_2write We’ve had 285,000 people die from covid—2 died from the cure. Do the math

Now to the real Q. On yesterday’s news, they reported that with the first shot that it takes about 10 days to be 55% protected. Then with the second shot about 3 weeks later that approx 10 days later that you’ve reached the 95% protected

@Tropical_Willie
@SEKA
I am not an anti Vaxxer !
Just noted that side effects will have to be considered , as I would be concerned of any long term and permanent effects .

@Inspired_2write The side effects are indications that your immune system is responding to the vaccine. Trust me when I say that whatever mild side effects you get for a day after the shot is far less annoying than being on a ventilator for a month.

@Caravanfan I’m willing to trust you on that!

The UK announced yesterday that IF you have “major allergies” that maybe you should think twice before jumping in feet first.

I’d think that IF you have so many allergies that you would also have a competent doctor that you can trust who can guide you on what is best for you

@SEKA Not sure why you think that. Plenty of incompetent doctors out there. Medical mistakes are one of the biggest killers. I think anyone with past severe allergic responses to anything who wants to take the shot should do it in a hospital setting. In fact, I would feel better myself doing it next to a hospital or ER.

The two were carrying EpiPens !

Duh highly allergic !

And they recovered without problems.

@JLeslie I know that you are our resident expert on this kind of stuff; however, according to the local news, most of the vaccines won’t be offered to the average person at the hospitals. The hospitals are now overrun with people dying from covid and they don’t need the additional stress of giving the vaccines as well. I’m assuming that the front line personel will be getting theirs at work. Then the nursing home residents and personnel “might” get theirs at the facility. If not, local CVS and Walgreens will be giving the shots. Unless there is a change in plans, it will be the same for the general population. I get my Flu shot from Walgreens every year and they give better shots than any doctor’s office where I’ve ever received one

Each state may have their own distribution plan, but what I just listed is the plan our Governor (not florida) laid out just this past week. My understanding is that the distribution plan has a lot to do with the cold storage issues.

@SEKA I am not an expert, not at all. Just been watching the interviews with Fauci and Gottlieb. A lot of people seem to read about the vaccines, I like to hear it come right out of the experts’ mouth. Not interpreted by Journalists. Medical journals and pubmed different story, I mean journalists who sometimes don’t get it right and then repeat over and over again something inaccurate.

As long as I was close by a place that would have an epipen and an ER was nearby I would feel safe. As I get older I have more reactions to medications, but have never had an anaphylactic reaction, so I probably wouldn’t to this. I’m not very nervous about it. I said next to, not in a hospital, and it doesn’t have be right outside, just close enough. The locations most likely to give out the vaccine here would be close to EMS. We have 9 fire stations in The Villages. I don’t expect to have a reaction.

My governor is driven by votes. I figure he will focus on older people first more than other states, but I could be wrong. I assume he will focus on where the cases are the worst, which also are tourism centers here (tax dollars for the state).

^ I prefer to hear everything from Dr Fauci; however, in this instance, the FDA had not yet approved the vaccine for use here in the US and the medical personnel from the UK (who were actually giving the vaccine) were reporting that if you have severe allergies to be aware that there could possibly be severe complications. That meant that I had no other option but to believe what the journalists were reporting. It was coming straight off of the BBC News. I don’t totally trust most doctors; and at the same time, I would hope that if my allergies were so severe that I needed to keep an epi pen close by that I would also have a doctor that I could trust enough to give me valid advice on the vaccine. I plan to take it and I would not ever encourage anyone not to take it. At the same time, if I knew someone with severe allergies, I would feel it is my obligation to warn them to discuss the situation with their doctor first

What Governor isn’t driven by votes? That’s why I’d trust my doctor before I’d trust my Governor. I’m still young enough that I know it will be a while before my age group will be authorized to get the vaccine. Until then, I’m doing my best to remain calm and do all the things recommended to take care of myself and those around me. I’ve lost 3 friends to this virus in the last 2 weeks; so I’m very serious when it comes to what information I choose to believe. Actually, I’ve been very vigilant as far back as March, I never leave home without my mask, I social distance. I don’t care how good a friend you are, no mask means get away from me. If you won’t walk away, I will and then you go on my list of people to stop interacting with, including by phone. I have a husband and daughter to protect so I need to remain healthy myself in order to do that

@SEKA I wasn’t even thinking about trusting a Governor over a doctor. Governor was not in my calculation. For now, I don’t see anyone being forced to take the vaccine. I guess maybe there might be some issues in long term care facilities, because I expect they will consider the vaccine to be mandatory. We’ll see.

I was thinking we the patient vs our doctor. Hopefully, that relationship is not adversarial, but rather a partnership.

I read the package inserts and rely on what I know about my body, because even very good doctors can be missing a part of my history. My dad told his doctor not to give him a specific drug for a procedure and the doctor did and my dad wound up in the ER with a heart rate in the 30’s. I don’t know if the doctor forgot or didn’t believe him. I have too many examples like this.

I should say I do believe Fauci will bend truth for the greater good. I don’t believe Fauci would tell someone to get the vaccine who is extremely high risk for grave side effects. The experts are always balancing greater good and their decisions aren’t always correct.

I really like Gottlieb if you haven’t listened to him much. He often answers questions I have in my mind even before the person interviewing asks them.

Both Fauci and Gottlieb are going to be reading reports from Pfizer for adverse reactions whether it makes it to the news or not. You don’t think the news reports all incidents do you?

Social media is likely to spread that the people had severe reactions to the vaccine and not mention both people are fine now. Hysteria gets clicks. Your doctor may or may not be reading the Pfizer reports. Maybe with this situation doctors are more likely than usual.

There is a problem with part of the population being wary about vaccines right now, but we don’t have enough covid vaccine to worry about it yet, so I think it would be better if media just reports what is happening and doesn’t try to “convince” people. If millions of vaccinated people are doing well that will convince people. Parts of media have been going overboard for years now, and they don’t seem to see how that has a backfire effect. I know people who get every vaccine out there and are nervous about the covid vaccine, and I know people who never get a flu shot who will be willingly taking the covid vaccine.

@JLeslie I think the question is ultimately going to be: “which of the three vaccines is the best one for me?”.

It’s not clear yet what the advantages are of one over the other.

@elbanditoroso But I’m imagining we won’t be given the choice; it will be what’s available in your area or from your provider.

I actually saw Fauci speaking to that. He said it will likely be the contracts your providers have in place and initially probably we won’t have much choice. Although, I guess if you feel strongly about which one you want, you can shop around maybe. I think most people are unaware when they get the flu shot which one they are getting and if it is 3 viruses or 4. I think lately all have been 4 strains for what is approved in America, but not always in the past. Most people are completely clueless. All the information is there with public access if someone is interested. If I understand correctly the Moderna and Pfizer are both mRNA and work similarly. The JnJ attaches the proteins to a disabled viral vector.

In the clip I posted with the interview of the couple in the study, the oncologist believed that the mRNA would be safe in cancer patients who are typically told to never take a vaccine, but I have no idea what the official recommendation is, so that patient might be specifically told which vaccine to take. I have no idea if any of the vaccines have been given to known cancer patients in the trials. Actually, I am not sure why cancer patients are told that, is it the cancer? Or, is it only regarding cancer patients who have gone under specific treatments?

During phase 4 testing I think we will learn a lot more. There will be women who thought they were not pregnant who are, and more people who have underlying conditions who did not take part in the the trials to approve the vaccine.

A friend of mine and his wife had covid, she is an anesthesiologist. He said she will not be in the first group receiving vaccine because she had covid, which is what I had thought would happen, but in some interviews I have seen health professionals saying even people who have had covid probably should get vaccinated. I just think with limited supply of vaccine why not let people who had covid wait.

@elbanditoroso They will be more or less equivalent. Get whichever one is available to you first. In my case it will be the Pfizer vaccine.

@Caravanfan given my age and demographic, I figure it might be March or April.