The long term side effects all seem to be on those who get COVID, even if vaccinated.

Long COVID can include a wide range of ongoing health problems; these conditions can last weeks, months, or years.
Long COVID occurs more often in people who had severe COVID-19 illness, but anyone who has been infected with the virus that causes COVID-19 can experience it.
People who are not vaccinated against COVID-19 and become infected may have a higher risk of developing Long COVID compared to people who have been vaccinated.
People can be reinfected with SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, multiple times. Each time a person is infected or reinfected with SARS-CoV-2, they have a risk of developing Long COVID.
While most people with Long COVID have evidence of infection or COVID-19 illness, in some cases, a person with Long COVID may not have tested positive for the virus or known they were infected.

There is some research being done on long term heart side effects, but it’s a small group of people who developed it, and it wasn’t very long after the shot that they developed it.

If you mean effects that turn up five or twenty years later, no way to know yet. The original people in the phase studies most likely agreed to at least a five year follow up, maybe longer. That would be a good 20,000 or 30,000 people for each vaccine that made it to market. Otherwise, if people in the population start to develop unusual illnesses en masse, then covid vaccine might be one thing that gets considered among many possibilities.

I doubt it. There was too many lies about the vaccines all along the way and too much suppression of data for it to be completely above board. Hell, even when people had drastic side effects they were trying to pare down the length of time following getting the vaccine for it to be called a side effect. Example, a normally healthy person develops drastic heart issues a few weeks after getting the vaccine. That is all that has changed, but they then claim that if it didn’t happen within the first week it wasn’t attributable to the vaccine.

What was suppressed? All VAERS data is available to the public. There are multiple articles and there are studies following people with myocarditis post vaccines. Here’s one article, very easy to find others. https://www.mskcc.org/coronavirus/what-know-about-covid-19-vaccines-linked-heart-problems-young-people

If you mean the initial beliefs about the efficacy against contracting covid after getting a vaccine were wrong, I questioned it back when the data was being released, even fought with jellies about it, but the science wasn’t lying, it just wasn’t tested in ideal circumstances to really push how effective it would be if covid was all around, but it would have been unethical to purposely expose people.

It does seem covid vaccines likely reduced hospitalizations and deaths, especially in adults ages 50–70.

Edit: I think you are going by what your favorite media people are saying and screaming Democrats who didn’t really listen to the science either, they just clung to an overall message that made sense to them.

@JLeslie The CDC made a controversial decision about COVID statistics on VAERS. I remember it but not the details.

@SnipSnip I don’t remember any such thing, but if you find information about it I would look at it.

The average person was completely clueless about VAERS until covid. When I got my shot, Walmart literally gave me a sheet with the VAERS information and encouraged me to report, which impressed me.

My mom used to be the person who collected VAERS data before everything went online. She’s been retired for many years now.

The Republicans talked about VAERS statistics like they were made in stone for sure reactions related to the vaccines, that is not always the case, it needs to be tallied and investigated.

I happen to have a rare immediate reaction to the vaccine.

There’s a lot of hypocrisy too. Republicans tend to not want to count a death as a covid death if the person was already old and sick. They do want to count every symptom someone gets after the vaccine. With both situations it needs to be looked at objectively.

I don’t doubt for a second that some people had bad reactions to the vaccine. It’s a matter of risk and numbers like any vaccine, medication, or medical procedure. Tylenol puts thousands in the hospital every year and kills a couple of hundred people.

No thanks. If you’re interested you can look it up. I don’t have a doubt about it.

@JLeslie “There’s a lot of hypocrisy too. Republicans tend to not want to count a death as a covid death if the person was already old and sick. They do want to count every symptom someone gets after the vaccine. With both situations it needs to be looked at objectively.”

Great answer . . . and some people are still thinking that way and don’t need FACTS to back up their BS !

@JLeslie On these very pages, we discussed the vaccines and the VAERS database. I did a search for deaths due to the vaccine. It was something like 21,000. A few days later it was up to 23,000. Then, miraculously, about a week and a half later it was only 11,000. All search parameters were the same yet somehow we lost half of the reported deaths. ????

As for the other lies they just carried on and on. Masks were not effective, then they were, then you were threatening humanity if you didn’t wear one. The vaccines were safe and effective…a claim that was impossible to make with a new, experimental vaccine that hadn’t fully been through testing. Then the vaccines would keep you from getting the vaccine. Then, when vaccinated people started getting it, it would keep you from spreading it even if you caught it. Until vaccinated people were found to have just as much, if not more, viral load in their nasal passages than an unvaccinated person. But it will keep you away from serious illness and death….until vaccinated people started getting hospitalized and dying. Then natural immunity was not sufficient and not as good as the vaccine. Until it was proven conclusively to be better than the vaccines. Then you would only need one booster. Well, maybe two. Okay three, but that’s it! Well we may need to do boosters every 2–3 months. Oops! New variant. The drug companies come out and say the current vaccines are not effective at all for it. But at the same time the government is saying that you just need another booster of the original vaccine to keep you safe. And we will never need to vaccinate young children as they are not at risk. But you have to if you want them to go to school. At least high schoolers. And middle school. And grade school. And preschoolers.

If a medicine is fully tested and is completely safe your wouldn’t need all these inaccurate statements.

@seawulf575 It was completely tested, and then it was given to millions more people than usual to get a drug or vaccine when first introduced, which is basically more testing! I agree with some of your statements that the messaging was convoluted, some of that was the media not the scientists, and some was social media and politics, and a little bit of hysteria thrown in, but your insistence that it wasn’t tested is false. It was tested on more people than almost any other vaccine or drug in history within a short time. It is true we don’t have information for 20 years out, but we had a year of information when it was introduced into the general public, all stages of testing were completed for introducing it, although done on a fast track. Then we had MILLIONS of people who had received the vaccines within months. I don’t fault anyone for not wanting to be in the phase testing and for not wanting to be the first in line the first few months it was on the market, I would not have been the one of the firsts if I had been able to get it. Why you ignore the MILLIONS of people who took the vaccine I do not understand at all. Israel was carefully tracking the millions who took it just in their country as basically phase 4 testing for Pfizer. They were slightly ahead of the US in giving it out to people.

When you take a drug or vaccine how tested do you think it usually is? Before this did you take new drugs without even thinking about it? Do you ask your doctor if a drug he prescribes is old or new? I do. I always have. Most people don’t, and even people up in arms about covid vaccine never have even thought about it before, except for the politics, and probably most of them don’t think about it for anything else. It’s just covid. Except for the extreme anti-vaxxers who have always been out there and the all natural fringe also.

@JLeslie I’m sorry to say it was not fully tested. That is partly why they had to use an EUA to get it into people. In fact testing STILL has not been completed. When a vaccine is tested it goes through several stages normally which include things like monitoring for long term side effects. Those are still on-going. Animal testing was actually still going on when the first doses were authorized for use in humans. I can say that because animal trials ALSO have to look at long term effects. They did some animal testing and then went right into human injections. Those getting the vaccines were the human trials.

Another consideration is the one that stymied my doctor. mRNA technology was discovered in 1990 (give or take a year) and was touted as a potential fix for quite a few things. Yet since that time it was never used for anything. Why? The best I can see is that it never got past full animal trials. So what was the new technology used for before injecting humans?

@JLeslie some people have “advanced degrees” read posts from anti-vaccine sites about viruses and epidemiology but don’t understand pandemics

It initially had an EUA, but then after MILLIONS of people received it and more data was gathered it was fully approved.

Animal and human trials were done simultaneously, the trial phases overlapped each other.

https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-covid-vaccine-animal/fact-check-covid-19-vaccines-did-not-skip-animal-trials-because-of-animal-deaths-idUSL2N2NJ1IK

There are not currently large, publicly-funded COVID vaccine sequalae studies beyond traditional vaccine monitoring. Many (probably the the vast majority of) people with long-term post-vaccine health issues are not reported to VAERS and are excluded from long-COVID clinics, which often require a documented positive antibody test. There are very few healthcare providers who can offer hope to people whose health has been negatively impacted from the COVID vaccines/boosters, as there have been no studies and is no treatment.

I am severely disabled since getting the COVID booster (not from COVID infection) and have yet to find a healthcare provider who can help me. I have had to quit my job and have little hope of improvement to the point that I can return to work (or even care for my children).

On the plus side, there is amazing grassroots research being conducted. Many people who are COVID or vaccine injured have health- and research-related backgrounds and have banded together on social media to share potential treatments and results. It is truly an exciting time in this arena.

@Cupcake I completely agree VAERS is under-reported. Not just for covid vaccines, but for all vaccines. Individuals can report for themselves, it does not need to be done by a medical professional.