I think I heard he is deleting any records that reference the “Elona Gay”.

@Forever_Free Yes, its a WWII plane that was named after the pilots mother. Elona Gay and my understanding is they had to take down all pictures of the plane in museums because it has the word Gay, which was her last name. This is how idiotic things have gotten. Though I don’t know if the word gay is on the list, but I think he originally banned any word that may reference gayness, so I can see how idiots may decide to do away with it.
What kills me is that he says this are woke words. Justice and injustice are woke words?
This isn’t about woke words its about silencing people.

I can’t read the link since I don’t want to subscribe to the NYT, but I did a bit more research and that list of words comes from an order to the National Scientific Foundation, not to the government as a whole. And it wasn’t saying people couldn’t use those words during the day or in speeches or anything like that. It was saying that the NSF shouldn’t approve any grant applications that use those words. And looking at the list of words, they are all divisive. Even things like “all-inclusive” stopped meaning everyone is included a long time ago. It started being used as a cudgel to exclude some and promote others.

https://www.rawstory.com/trump-forbidden-dei-words/

I cannot read the link either, saw some terms before it locked me and am confused. What does it mean to ban words? I thought this was America.

https://archive.ph/1hzlY

Kinda silly that “female” is a woke word.

I want to be a counselor so I wonder how much this will all affect my field. Since social work needs all those terms… kind of important that we respect everyone.

Well, I’m going to chest-feed my nonbinary multicultural oppression, thank you very much.

Considering that the Trump administration is currently arresting people for criticizing Israel, a list of no-no words doesn’t surprise me.

It’s funny that the list is published in the NYTimes, which is famous for banning certain words from being used to report on Israel.

@seawulf575: ”It started being used as a cudgel to exclude some and promote others.”

“Excluded” is on the banned list. Can you please edit your post?

@hat If I were using that to get a grant from the NSF, I would have to, or have the grant shot down.

Black is banned but white is not.

Somehow, I don’t think we are getting the whole story/context here.

According to the article, the list is not just for grant proposals, it’s for the government as a whole.

I see the word “disparity” is on the list. What’s divisive about the word disparity?

@jca2 probably because he just hates the word and or doesn’t know the meaning. Like breast feeding? Though that one I get, there was a story about a lawyer who had to stop to milk her breast for new infant. Apparently that grossed Donald out during a deposition when a lawyer took a break to go pump breast milk in another room. He called her disgusting. Dude really has some mommy issues.

List
In case you can’t read the Times list.

@chyna, so is women and yet men is okay. This list tells you everything they hate. Oops, I used “they”.

@chyna – The NYT list is signifcantly-larger: https://archive.ph/1hzlY

@Blackwater_Park – Yeah, it’s possible that there is a context that the article is missing. But I can’t imagine a context in which this makes sense or is ok.

@hat I don’t see how the word police is going to go after every little infraction. I think this is here so they can hand slap anything woke that they don’t like. Woke is like its own language anyway. You know it when you see it. This is pretty out there though. Weird.

@Blackwater_Park – “Woke” is a label used by people who are uncomfortable and want a safe space. How you can discuss reality without using the words in that list? And why is reality such a threat to conservatives?

What conservatives call “woke” is what they used to call “political correctness”. Both of which were attempts to push back on language and thought-policing by conservatives.

Anyway, unless the NYT completely fabricated this list, which would disappoint anti-free speech, anti-science, and anti-realtity people, I really can’t see this as something justifiable.

Sources seem to differ about whether these words are being banned, discouraged, or just removed after the fact. As for why sources differ so much, it looks like this is yet another disorganized policy rollout involving little to no forethought and inconsistent messaging. The NSF was told to subject grant requests using any of the words to heightened scrutiny, for example, while the NSA is deleting pages from its website and internal networks that contain any of the words (even if they aren’t used in any sort of DEI context).

The irony here is that a paper titled “Why Are Straight White Men So Pathetic?” wouldn’t get flagged, but a paper titled “A Systemic Investigation of Ion Polarization” would (since “systemic” and “polarization” are both words on the list). It’s the sort of incompetence I’ve come to expect from a Trump administration—thoughtless, reflexive actions designed to attack their perceived enemies without checking to see if they’re also shooting themselves in their own foot.

But hey, the party of free speech!

Interestinig list. Some of my favorites: bias, Black, disability, men, women, political, pollution race, Native American.
Of course White and wealthy and Christian are all acceptable.

Is rape on it? or assault?

@smudges I’m sure its coming soon. I’m sure he would like it erased from all his legal documents. But that’s my opinion coming from an xx chromosome human. I think human is safe. For now.

I am going to do my part and stop using the word “groups”.

@LostInParadise Nope, I think men itself is safe. Its “men having sex with men’ that is banned. Though I don’t know if how you can even say men having sex with women since sex is banned and so is women, so men having intercourse with xx chromosome humans. So I can fix it. xy human banging xy human.

@hat “Woke” is a label used by people who are uncomfortable and want a safe space”

No, it’s a particular brand of left-wing virtue signaling used specifically to irritate conservatives. There is a specific intent here that makes something woke vs actually helpful. “We are nice, you’re a piece of shit” It’s a parlor trick used to capture the moral high ground. It’s a cheap, low output way to feel superior. It has nothing to do with helping the disadvantaged. Most who weaponize this stuff politically don’t care. When they get called out for this, the script is flipped and those calling it out are suddenly the bad guys. It’s just a tool, one that has grown large and powerful enough to resemble a cult. Also, the companies that do DEI in the woke style don’t give a shit about the people they’re supposed to be helping. It’s a brand enhancing charade. Liberals had better get their act together, this is exactly why the MAGA republicans took over everything. Enough people are tired of this. There is a world of difference between what is woke and programs/attitudes that actually help disadvantaged people. To be fair, conservatives do the same sinister thing, with some exclusions of course. They’ll expect you to praise Jesus. I can’t get behind any of it.

^ I’m not a liberal, and I completely get that liberal politicians definitely weaponize certain language to gain power. But normal people doing normal people shit is called “woke”. Look at that list of words and come up with one thing you could discuss about humanity without using those words.

History. Real history? “woke!”
Sexuality. Real sexuality? “woke!”

The “woke” accusation was used to offer working class people something when nothing material was on offer by either party. It was a propaganda tool that has always been employed to gain votes and guarantee that the powerful are never seen as the reason people are suffering. The reason you have a shitty job with a shitty outlook and your kids have no future is never supposed to come back to the economic system or the people specifically making sure you’re fucked. Instead, it’s “wokeness” or “political correctness” or immigrants or trans people in sports or someone teaching actual historical events.

In order to not be “woke”, you need to pretend and lie or be literally fucking ignorant of science, the environment, human beings, love, human flourishing, economics, and history. And that is the point.

I’ve spent more than a decade here ranting about performative liberal virtue signaling. But that is something quite different. Liberal politicians will occasionally (and weakly) make noises that hint that people should be able to love who they want or that trans women are people or that women should control their body or that history happened. But that is not what sparked MAGA or why Trump one. It just isn’t. The Democrats ran a decidedly anti-woke, conservative, right-wing campaign.

Anyway, the term is meaningless. But since conservatives have done us a favor and created a list of words that trigger them, we can now see that they have completely showed their hand. What they call “woke” = reality. Oops.

@seawulf575 How is the word “women” divisive?

@seawulf575 How is the word “trauma” divisive? What should a trauma surgeon now describe herself as? Oh, since a trauma surgeon is a woman, is she allowed to be a woman trauma surgeon, since the word “women” and “trauma” are now not allowed?

@seawulf575 How is the word “bias” divisive?

@seawulf575 How is the word “political” divisive? So when a Republican politician who supports the rapist says that his opponent is being political, should he be shot?

Many of these words appear in completely unrelated contexts, such a report on diverse desert Plants, or diverse causes for medical conditions, but the bot eliminating them doesn’t know the difference.

Next word to be banned will be “stock exchange”.

@Caravanfan In the context of looking for grants, each of those words can be used to focus on division instead of unity. When you are wanting to research “why women are more capable than men” you are looking for division. If you are looking at “why certain words trigger trauma outside of safe spaces” you are pushing division. If you read the article I cited, it says these words are to be used to flag requests for grants. It doesn’t say to exclude any grant requests that might have these words, just to give them more scrutiny. If they are not pushing division, such as “why some women suffer from endometriosis?” that isn’t divisive. It is looking at something that only women can be afflicted with.

Each of the words listed are words that the left has used to push division in this country at one point or another. If the left would stop trying to split the country and make it all us v them, silliness like this wouldn’t have come about.

What I find a bit suspicious is that no one can actually come up with the source document from President Trump that gives the guidance. Normally when he puts something out, his original statement can be readily displayed. I can’t find anything out there close. I find the list of words, and apparently there are various reasons given for what that list applies to, but no one is actually pointing to a specific EO or even a Truth Social post from President Trump where he gives this list to anyone. Lots of left wing outlets running with it, but no right wing outlets addressing it. It all seems contrived.

@Caravanfan The Neonazis defending this purge by calling these words “divisive”, are using the same logic as the old Nazis calling unwanted art “degenerate” before they burned it.

@ragingloli I guess you’d know

@hat That list shocks even me, it’s a gross overreaction but the more I think about it, I feel that’s the point. It’s supposed to illicit such a reaction. It’s the same extreme position that makes the opposing political faction have a WTF moment. It’s yet another troll.

Tuesday a Federal judge blocked Trump’s termination of DEI grants.

^^ HA! A “so there!” moment.

Here. you go @seawulf575. “What I find a bit suspicious is that no one can actually come up with the source document from President Trump that gives the guidance.”

“The CDC has instructed its scientists to retract or pause the publication of any research manuscript being considered by any medical or scientific journal, not merely its own internal periodicals, Inside Medicine has learned. The move aims to ensure that no “forbidden terms” appear in the work. The policy includes manuscripts that are in the revision stages at journal (but not officially accepted) and those already accepted for publication but not yet live.”

“In the order, CDC researchers were instructed to remove references to or mentions of a list of forbidden terms: “Gender, transgender, pregnant person, pregnant people, LGBT, transsexual, non-binary, nonbinary, assigned male at birth, assigned female at birth, biologically male, biologically female,” according to an email sent to CDC employees . . .”

https://insidemedicine.substack.com/p/breaking-news-cdc-orders-mass-retraction

@Tropical_Willie Nope, not what I’m looking for. I’m looking for the actual guidance provided by President Trump, not an article that gives something else. This list is supposed to be from the President. The story is that he has sent this out to the various groups telling them not to use these words. But somehow, by some mechanism, he had to send this list out along with the guidance. It is that mechanism that is mysteriously absent. Even if it was a Truth Social post, I could then go back and read what he wrote, not what someone else interpreted. But all that is missing.

I will explain it to you in one word DICTATOR all the departments are directly connected to the White House, if you stray from the Trump script your OUT !

@YARNLADY Nailed it. These words are often used in science for very specific applications. Sadly scientifically illiterate morons seem to think this is a good plan. There may be research related to the female genome and breast cancer that would require writing their fucking grant requests like a kid trying to skirt a profanity filter.

Genomics Sequencing of Human F3males and Correlations of Malignancies in Geographically D1verse Populations. To avoid sample b1ases, the experimenter has sampled from a double-bl1nded population of f3males across 12 states…

Only someone dumb enough to vote for Trump would think this is how our grants should be written.

@Tropical_Willie That is just a childish view. Even a dictator has to have something giving guidance to everyone. It would take too long to verbally tell everyone and then there is no guarantee they understand. Putting it in writing is the only way. So where is the written guidance?

@seawulf575 This is a really childish view. These things are typically not conveyed in writing as it leaves a trail.
Don’t you remember the 18½ minute gap in Nixon tapes. Nixon was brilliant compared to Trump, and he resigned when it unraveled.

” Even a dictator has to have something giving guidance to everyone”

Trump, “Just fucking do it, you don’t me to write it DOWN !!! ”

Change my mind ! ! ! ! !

Enola

Is bone spurs on the list?

^^ No, but spurts is.

@Forever_Free So the challenge is out there. Where is the original order from Trump to not use these words? If my view is so childish, it should be easy for you to cough that up. God knows every thing he writes is open for scrutiny. If he sent it out in a memo, some disgruntled anti-Trumper in the government would leak it. All we have is a list of words that anyone could have made up and absolutely nothing in writing telling anyone what to do with them. So take your adult view and go find that document for me. I’m just a child, right?

@seawulf575 You seemingly do that against anything Biden and Dem’s. (Centered)

@Forever_Free Sooo…you can’t actually find a legitimate document. Got it.

@seawurm575 why are you convinced that there will always be a “legitimate document” that is shared to the internet after every conversation? Do you do that? <eyeroll>

@seawulf575 I am not playing your games. You are the king of avoidance and should understand.

I went to the NY Times to look for a document and found an article where it’s discussed. This is a cut and paste from the article:

(list is posted)
The above terms appeared in government memos, in official and unofficial agency guidance and in other documents viewed by The New York Times. Some ordered the removal of these words from public-facing websites, or ordered the elimination of other materials (including school curricula) in which they might be included.

In other cases, federal agency managers advised caution in the terms’ usage without instituting an outright ban. Additionally, the presence of some terms was used to automatically flag for review some grant proposals and contracts that could conflict with Mr. Trump’s executive orders.

The list is most likely incomplete. More agency memos may exist than those seen by New York Times reporters, and some directives are vague or suggest what language might be impermissible without flatly stating it.

Link: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2025/03/07/us/trump-federal-agencies-websites-words-dei.html?searchResultPosition=1

@canidmajor Let’s consider for a moment what you are all pushing. That somehow Trump wrote down a list of words that he didn’t want people to use and somehow that list got out to everyone in the government without it being written down somewhere with the guidance that the words are supposed to be excluded from all aspects of the government. How did all these organizations get the same information and the same guidance if it wasn’t written down somewhere? Even if it came from a cabinet member to the departments under them it had to be written down somewhere. If you have a logical, rational way that it can be disseminated without writing it down, I’m all ears.

I’m not saying there isn’t anything like that, but it seems awfully suspicious that it hasn’t seen the light of day and is only being brought up on various, mainly left wing, outlets and the story doesn’t hold true from outlet to outlet. Trump is huge into putting things out in Truth Social. It is a practice I find extremely annoying and a weak form of leadership. But even those are broadcast 24/7 when it is something the lefties don’t like. There has been nothing of the sort put out.

BTW, you might want to see an ophthalmologist about that rolling eye problem.

@jca2 So did the NYT give links to any of the memos they claim are out there? If so, what are the links? All I can find are stories like from the NYT that either don’t give citations or give citations to other stories that likewise don’t give actual citations.

@Forever_Free I should understand? What should I understand? That someone claimed something therefore it must be true? Why is it so offensive to you that I dare to ask for the root document to help verify something? I guess the better question is “why are you so gullible that you believe whatever you are told?”

The CDC has walked back on the word banned, but explained that the list was garnered from reading EO’s and gives guidance to scientists who are requesting government grants.

As I understand it, every newspaper/news website has written about it and said that the list was circulated via memos. We’re not privy to memos – that doesn’t mean they don’t exist.

@smudges As much stuff that we aren’t privy to that gets leaked, it still seems odd to me. Hell, President Trump’s private tax filings were leaked illegally just to get them out there. The locations that ICE was going to be focusing on were leaked and we weren’t supposed to be privy to them. Leaking a memo would be child’s play compared to those things.