@ezywho – well i guess technically there actually are either walls or unwalls in a house.
the walls hold up the ceiling, and everything else is unwalls. :) lol
That’s taking analogies so far from the topic, it breaks the discussion. Walls are real physical objects, they aren’t concepts or ideals, so the comparison doesn’t hold up. In case you haven’t figured it out yet from my previous posts, I could work with it if I felt like it. LOL
Bottom line is this, you are right that all motivations are based on thoughts of ourselves, all of pyschology is based on that premise. But you’re making a fallacious argument that since all motivations are based on self, everything done because of those motivations must be selfish. Once you have satisfied the motivation, if the resulting action takes others into consideration as well then those actions are not selfish, they are simply self inclusive. It doesn’t matter that the primary motivation is about the self, the action is about both yourself and the other person.
Once again the final result which is: helping other people is neither altruistic nor selfish.
Helping other people is just a nice thing to do and its too bad more people don’t do it.
Now if we we’re arguing about if helping people is ever altruistic, I would have conceded the point. With the few exceptions of examples like Jesus, Buddha, or [insert religious figurehead here] humans aren’t capable of altruism, there is always some motivation based on ourselves.
There really isn’t a point for us to continue, because the points have been made. There are many great philosophers that have argued this point for thousands of years.