Obviously the latter.

@Vincentt Thank you for your response Vincentt

Old folks are squares and just don’t get it. lol
Wait though, what is the age range for “old folks”?

@Katniss, I guess there is no set age for being old (at least I hope there isn’t)

Thanks for answering.

@3easychords Ok

I’m 42. I like quite a few of Miley’s songs and I’m Eminem’s biggest fan. I prefer his older stuff. He was much more entertaining when he wanted to kill people.

Btw…. Welcome to Fluther!

I’m not a fan of rap, but meh…no new news under the sun. Every generation is condemned as the generation that is bringing ruin to society. haha
My daughter went to a Rap concert a few nights ago ‘Woca Flocka” haha and she and her friends were in the minority of white peeps their. It was all good, they had a great time and she was laughing because her dad, who is a closet racist cautioned her about the “thugs” she might encounter. Sheesh!

I am a product of the 70’s rock-n-roll era and boy did we get blacklisted too, all that “noise” and long haired, pot smoking hippies! lol
I watched a video of the drummer in this band and he was amazing!
Not my style but hey….it is what it is and I have never bought into the censorship crap that kids are influenced to act out based on music choices etc.
Kids going ballistic have nothing to do with their entertainment choices, and everything to do with their own mental health issues.

I dropped acid in the 70’s and never decided to take a swan dive off a highrise. haha

I think there is the good and bad of every era. Movement, innovation, are important. In order to break away from some “Old thinking” which is damaging, there has to be some individuality. People have to be willing to speak up, stand out, take off. With this forward thinking, some see it as a behavior free for all, and drag some advancement back. I have seen lots of trends come and go. Some were welcome changes, some were more like diaper changes, (Full of sh1* and needing cleaned).

Every group has to make their own way in the world. Usually means doing something different that the old school might object to. Screw em, they’re just old.

I’m 40 and I love rap, some of it anyway. In the 80’s and 90’s, rap was hot and all us white kids started using the lingo, dressing gangsta and interracial couples became cool.

Culture’s keep evolving, thank goodness, and sometimes it does pass the older people by so they ‘don’t get it’, but in the case of rappers glamoring guns and violence, it was cowboys in the old days and people still murdered other people, so nothing really has changed.

As someone who stopped paying attention to pop music after the Beatles, let me throw out a related question. Is there any rap music that is considered classic? Is there any of it from say 15 years ago hat is still played on the radio? The impression I get is that everything from the current pop culture has a very short shelf life.

@LostInParadise The Beastie Boys still get airplay. Love me some Beastie’s!

@LostInParadise Oh yes, definately. Lots of radio stations do ‘old-skool lunch hours’, or other time periods where it’s the good old stuff like Michael Jackson’s Thriller (pop) and like @Katniss said Beastie Boys. I even hear Extreme and George Michael, Cypress Hill, Snoop Dog, Two Live Crew, everything.

@Katniss thank you for the Welcome.

I just turned 50 and still like to keep up with some of the songs on the radio.

@KNOWITALL “Who you tryin to get crazy with, Èse? Don’t you know I’m loco?”

@3easychords You’re welcome! I thought you fell asleep on the keyboard! lol

@Coloma ditto, I grew up listening to everything and everything and I turned out allright. I hope. I think.

@Jonesn4burgers Exactly and we always need a little freedom of speech and expression mixed in with it all.

@Katniss I’m insane in the membrane, yo!

@Adirondackwannabe I heard Snoop Dogg give an interview once way back in the day and he said he didn’t care who disliked his music because he didn’t make it for them anyway.

@KNOWITALL Jesse James was a Bad Boy.

@Katniss I just stepped away for a bit.

@3easychords Oh I know, I’m in Missouri, he’s my homeboy and I love bad boys/ rebels anyway. He hid in the caves around here and people still look for buried jars of coins.

Welcome by the way, you’ll be a fun addition!

@KNOWITALL Thank you for the welcome. Is it true that Jesse and his brothers were experts in gorilla warfare before there was even a name for such a thing?

@3easychords Yes, ever watched Next of Kin with Patrick Swayze?

Not all country people are peace-loving and friendly, there are hollers here you just don’t go down after dark (even me, believe dat), like a whole clan of kin lives there and you won’t come out – lol I love scaring people with my hillbilly stories.

lol @KNOWITALL That is the kind of shit Wrong Turn type movies are made from!

It’s the eternal complaint of old folks through the generations. My teenage years were accompanied by “Turn that crap down” and in the family car, “touch that volume button and I’ll break your arm”. Sure enough, 20 years later when my 2 teenagers declared Prince to be a genius and if I had any sense I’d be worshiping alongside them, I erupted in a tirade about degenerate sissies costumed and shrieking like eunuchs from the court of Louis XIII. It’s a rite of passage. And the kids are nearly always right.

@KNOWITALL

I haven’t seen Next of Kin. I’ll go on youtube in a bit and see if they have a Trailer.

@stanleybmanly I can remember when my brother discovered Jimi Hendrix and every five minutes my parents were yelling to turn it down. Looking back I can’t help but laugh.

@LostInParadise Now the trend seems to be make as much money as you can as fast as you can. Public Enemy and Run DMC made it to the Rock n’ Roll Hall of Fame. A lot of the new artist have to rely on the old stuff to learn the craft. Some view Tupac as a prolific songwriter.

Welcome to Fluther.

The youth of today are not “being destroyed”. I say this as a 60-year-old who does have some particular issues with some members of “the youth of today”. In general, though, older people such as myself almost universally look back to bygone days when times were simpler (and we were younger) and think that “life was better then”. I think it has more to do with the fact that we were younger and had more prospects in front of us.

I definitely have some complaints about “pop culture” and the aforementioned “some members of the youth of today”, but for the most part I’m optimistic that life will continue to improve for most people in the world (not just me, my family, and people who look like me; that’s a very inclusive, broad and quite literal “most people in the world”) in most respects.

I do miss some of the things we’ve had to give up in order to get here, but I’m still looking forward to see how it continues to play out.

@CWOTUS You have a great outlook. The media seems to paint the youth as troubled but they never report on how many have joined the Peace Corps, the Armed Services or taught overseas for a summer before starting their careers. There may be a few who have fallen through the cracks but I’m not sure that can really be helped even in the best of situations.

@CWOTUS Thank you for welcoming me into the community.

I think it is a little of both. I am no prude, but I fund a lot of pelvic thrusting, butt gyration, and 10 inch heals to be tacky, not sexy, and not beatiful. Hip hop has a lot of that going on. Other music still has sexy hip movement, and lots of skin can be showing, but there is beauty in it for me. I like music that stirs that up. Or, music that has more innocent dance that comes with it.

@JLeslie I also draw the line at vulgar. I see no merit in a song like“Cop Killer” it will never make my CD list but I have found solace in ‘Gangsters in Paradise’ by Coolio.

I’m not a fan of Justin Beiber but I have found myself singing along to his song ‘Beauty and the Beat’.

Thank you for answering my question.

@3easychords Vulgar is the perfect word. When it crosses that line I find it unattractive and unappealing. My vulgar line is pretty out there I would say, but some of this stuff even crosses my line.

@JLeslie I think we need to rely on our senses. When something tells us that we should not be hearing or watching a certain thing we should exercise our need to turn it off.

@3easychords Cop Killer was just shock value, that was at the height of gang warfare and some civil unrest remember. Ah, remember KKK beeyotch on that album? wow

The book to read is Dawn to Decadence by Jacques Barzun.
Barzun says that all civilizations experience a “birth” and then a gradual decent into decadence. Then they reboot and experience a “rebirth”(or disappear).

The cycle is, give or take a century, about 500 or so years. Western civilization had “reboot” with the Reformation.

The West is clearly in a stage of decadence. One of the myriad symptoms of decadence is increasing courseness in language and rejection of social behavior norms. So the truth is popular culture is simply reflecting what is happening anyway. Nobody is being corrupted. They are simply living in a decadent time and this is what people do.

Rap music makes my skin crawl. Now get off my lawn!

Rap music is the Disco of today…

My 15 yr old daughter prefers Imagine Dragons, Fall Out Boy, Panic at the Disco. She can’t stand Miley Cyrus because she views her not as a talented artist but as a Fame Whore (my son’s words).

Most kids these days have pretty good taste. You just have to get away from the gossip magazines and personality website. If the music industry knew that, they might even make money.

@zenvelo Smart kid(s), Miley’s a trainwreck in the style of Paris Hilton if you ask me, the hillbilly version.

I’m back in a city not full of a rap music and I am glad. I can turn on the radio and find music I like on many stations. I go to zumba and very few hip hop songs. I go to a dance club and they have what I consider to be dance music (runway music) and more Latin music. Not to mention some oldies but goodies. Love that part of being here.

“Our youth now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for their elders and love chatter in place of exercise; they no longer rise when elders enter the room; they contradict their parents, chatter before company; gobble up their food and tyrannize their teachers.”

― Socrates (a bagillion years ago)