Thank you for that Penrose link @cazzie. I believe it reveals a fundamental flaw in communication about this topic across multiple disciplines. Penrose makes the same claim that I’ve seen Greene make in his presentations of black holes.
They both claim that black holes consume information. See Penrose make this claim from your link at time code 15:57. You can see Brian Greene making the same claim in this video at time code0:32. Notice the graphic that magically changes a lamp into 1’s and 0’s to illustrate the idea that a lamp is the same thing as information.
Physics defines information in a completely different way than all other disciplines, including cybernetics, genetics, engineering, computer science, information theory, library sciences, and all other disciplines that I know of. It makes talking about this subject very difficult to communicate effectively. Physics believes that every material object is equal to information.
The trend for doing that was reported in 2003:
In 2003 J. D. Bekenstein claimed that a growing trend in physics was to define the physical world as being made up of information itself.
I believe this is erroneous. Physics, (by lack of understanding what information really is) has hijacked the word to mean something different. This new definition allows physics to promote theories that may otherwise not have as much validity if they used the standard definitions.
Norbert Wiener the father of cybernetics denotes the problem with defining information in this way. Information is information, not matter or energy. No materialism which does not admit this can survive at the present day.
We should be careful with the words we use to describe and promote our theories. Makes it sound like some people know what they’re talking about, when in fact, we just end up talking past one another with no real communication occurring at all.
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Reminds me of the day when adult stem cell research was being promoted in Missouri. It failed many times to be legalized. But then the promoters got smart, and redefined the definition of cloning. The bill passed with this new definition, and now adult stem cell research is legal in Missouri. Everything changed, just by redefining a word to mean something different than it meant previously.