I can take you to any construction site in this state (Texas) from the Red River to the Rio Grande, or from El Paso to Corpus Christie, and all you will see are immigrant workers, many of whom cant speak a word of English, and this goes on while Repubs in the Legislature talk shit almost daily about “Illegal Migrants”? Are conservative voters really so freaking stupid that they cant see through this bull shit? Shit or get off the pot time, people. Something I saw on Facebook got me on this rant.

Hmmm – crickets chirping. Interesting.

When your hero is sixth grader that lost the election and Ted Cruz, a fourth grader, says let’s overthrow the government; you as a third grader think “GREAT IDEA”! !

@Tropical_Willie a bit off-topic, but you just summer up how I got myself doing stupid things as a kid. Mostly it was because I was influenced by some older kids who looked up to some stupid older people. I’ve also seen that happening as a teacher too. Guess something just don’t change…

Are you under the impression that conservative/republican voters are required to share the same opinion on all issues?

You’re not from around here, are you?

I think you are making some very broad, sweeping generalizations about conservatives and republicans, and your question has a great deal of rancor and insults. Here goes my answer.

It is not just republicans who hire undocumented migrants—a lot of people do, and it is not particularly characteristic of conservatives or Republicans. Latinos generally do very good work and often for substandard wages, and people who can afford hired help often use them for that,

Conservatives and Republicans advocate a border wall so that we can control who comes into this country. They need to be vetted. We need to make sure they are not criminals or terrorists. Unfortunately the process takes more time than it ought to. But America welcomes immigrants—more than any other country in the world. We just want them to come in legally, whereas Democrats typically want open borders.

Many Republicans believe the infrastructure of the country (schools, clinics, government aid, etc etc) cannot support 100,000 or so new migrants per year, and many Republicans believe Democrats want the migrants for votes. They promise the migrants, the caravans, a lot if they come to America and claim asylum.

Others don’t want 100,000 or so new migrants because of competition for jobs in construction and agriculture. There are not enough jobs, migrants work for less, and because there aren’t enough jobs many will require aid from the government which also we can’t afford.

But the exploitation of migrants is not particularly what conservatives and republicans do, Some people, of any class, party, or description, will hire the cheap, high-quality labor of migrants from the south of our border.

“Latinos generally do very good work and often for substandard wages, and people who can afford hired help often use them for that”, and then the same people allow their elected representatives to talk smack about them day in and day out. AS I said, shit or get off the pot time. I’m not the guy who has a problem with them. They’re good people. just trying to make a better life for themselves. But if the Repubs don’t want them in the country, stop giving them the incentive of WORK. That’s what they come here for. Can’t have it both ways.

Look, @Nomore_lockout – how would we be able to pay immigrants peanuts and generally abuse them if they actually had rights? We need the ability to threaten to call ICE if they get uppity and demand things like a bathroom break.

Immigration demonization (a particular kind) is essential. It maintains an underclass of scared, subservient workers who have no rights. And since we help make their native countries unlivable, it’s a win-win for us.

How could you have a problem with that?

Yeah, the Irish and Italians just don’t work any more. Have to have someone to use and trash.

Attracting migrant labor for substandard wages is not a prerogative of Republicans or Conservatives. hyper-wealthy Democrats in California, Silicon Valley, Hollywood / Los Angeles, even the old money resorts in New York and New England—is where a lot of them work.

You seem to be painting republicans as the leisure class. Sorry, that is the Democrats. The workers’ unions still support the Democrats, but working people in flyover country vote Republican, are damaged most by Democrat policies, and do not want to play second fiddle to migrants. Consider the plight of working Americans who have lost hundreds of thousands of jobs already under Biden—related to oil and petroleum and the pipeline—and the communities around them, amid the pandemic. Where will they find work? Where will they go for help? They will be the ones competing for jobs with hundreds of thousands of migrants, while those DEMOCRATS who make policies in elite, old-money communities attend their cocktail parties and dictate executive orders, never being effected.

Hundreds of thousands of jobs?? PULEAZE give me a break 11,000 yes, and maybe 100 to 200 full time positions.

And still dodging the question. Oh well.

Well he did answer it the only way Rep/cons know how, blame the democrats for everything.

Well, he can go out in a pasture and take out his frustrations on a rusty car. Shoot in a zillion times with his AR 15.

@SQUEEKY2 I explained very cogently and perhaps more politely than I should have, the differences between the positions of Republicans and Democrats on Immigration.

What I blamed on the Democrats was what Pete Buttigieg, John Kerry, and Joe Biden are actually doing. 11,000 well-paying Union jobs on the Keystone Pipeline, Professional welders, pipe fitters, oil rig workers, Tens of thousands in the Petroleum industry (along with truckers and the communities around them which will become ghost towns) because there will be no more drilling on Federal lands. Thousands of jobs on the construction of the border wall.

Buttigieg, Kerry, Biden and Harris ARE Democrats—and they say to these hundreds of thousands that they can get jobs making solar panels—jobs for which they are not equipped and do not exist and may not for a long time,

In any case, this isn’t the time to invite more people in for jobs and free healthcare.

@Yellowdog

Blah – Blah – BLAH – BLAH Talking in circles and right from Tangerine make-up manshild’s play book

@Yellowdog: “11,000 well-paying Union jobs on the Keystone Pipeline, Professional welders, pipe fitters, oil rig workers, Tens of thousands in the Petroleum industry (along with truckers and the communities around them which will become ghost towns) because there will be no more drilling on Federal lands. Thousands of jobs on the construction of the border wall.”

Yellowdog gets it! It doesn’t matter what the jobs are – just jobs matter. As capitalists, we should embrace these fossil fuel jobs. Why worry about native or environmental rights?!? We should think in a bipartisan way and put people to work investing in backwards technologies that are killing the planet (and humans). We will all be dead soon anyway!

However, Yellowdog needs to remember that we’re all patriotic Americans – Democrats and Republicans! There is bipartisan consensus on capitalism, American exceptionalism, and fossil fuels. Biden shouldn’t cave in to people on the left! He needs to focus on his base.