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Theists. What relationship would your deity/deities have, with lifeforms from other planets, parts of our universe?

Asked by MrGrimm888 (19171points) November 7th, 2022
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I’m an atheist. But. I enjoy hearing people talk about things like this. Are there any mentions of your deity/deities and there link to some other life, from other worlds, in some of your texts?
How do you arrive at your hypothesis, of such relationships?

In this thread, all beliefs are to be considered as true. No beliefs are wrong. All building blocks of your religion will be considered factual, disregarding skepticism…

Open thoughts wanted. Let us play in this thought exercise….I intend to keep myself in check. However. If anyone thinks I am getting off the subject, smack me around a bit…
All leashes are off. The only constraints here, are that of your imagination.

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ragingloli's avatar

One example is the Q destroying God’s body, and imprisoning his head at the centre of the Galaxy on the planet Sha Ka Re, until God was finally destroyed by Mr. Spock using a Klingon Bird of Prey.

zenvelo's avatar

Genesis 1 describes the Big Bang: In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth

The theology of the Cosmic Christ describes the Christ force in all of creation, not just earth, but all stars, planets, galaxies, and anything tithe may be living in those worlds.

MrGrimm888's avatar

^Ok. So. How does this affect, “God’s” relationship with an alien life?
”...not just Earth but all stars, planets, galaxies….”
Does this text literally say “Earth, stars, and galaxies?”
Is God supposed to worshiped, like here? Should any alien life be made aware of this? Do we expect them to adhere to these beliefs?
Please, expound.

gondwanalon's avatar

I think that God likely treats alien life forms on other planets the same as God treats live forms on this planet.

zenvelo's avatar

@MrGrimm888 I cannot speak to the theology of another planet, depending on where a planet would be on an evolutionary scale. But if an alien planet has evolved to intelligent life, then its relation to the cosmic Christ would be its business, not ours. Aliens on another planet may never have committed Original Sin, and may still be in an equivalent to the Garden of Eden.

MrGrimm888's avatar

^SEE! I knew this could get interesting. The context of time , never has occurred to me , in regards to potential alien religion…. This God is busy as Hell…Maybe God has control over time, as it is only here because it’s part of the “universe ” package….The universe God created…Is there any mention of God, in relation to time?...

Side question. @zenvelo . So. If no human ever committed the “original sin,” (what is that?) then how would that shape human history? It’s all like, a test or something, that we had to fail, to advance our species?.. That’s…Well. That’s deep….
Do you suppose that God, would be known as a different name, but still have the same like rules set up? Depending on the alien’s anatomy, some might be incapable of committing the “original” sin….

zenvelo's avatar

Original sin may be taken to mean: (1) the sin that Adam committed; (2) a consequence of this first sin, the hereditary stain with which we are born on account of our origin or descent from Adam.

The sin that Adam committed was eating the fruit from the Tree of Knowledge that was given to him by Eve after she was persuaded by the serpent to pick the fruit and taste it.

Dutchess_III's avatar

I always thought the Original Sin was sex.

seawulf575's avatar

I think it is an interesting question. In my view, God created the heavens and the Earth. He created Light. He is the creator of all. Alien lifeforms would be part of that.

The interesting part is that, despite the fact I am a Christian, I don’t view the story of creation as an entirety. I consider the story of Adam and Eve to be part parable and part genealogy. Adam and Eve were the first of the line of Israel. It even hints at as much in the Bible. After Cain slew Abel, he was expelled from Eden to live with the others in the Land of Nod. If Adam and Eve were the first and only people, where did these others come from?

Also there are other expressions that could be considered interactions with aliens listed in the Bible. Ezekiel and the wheel was a fine example

” I looked, and I saw a windstorm coming out of the north—an immense cloud with flashing lightning and surrounded by brilliant light. The center of the fire looked like glowing metal, 5 and in the fire was what looked like four living creatures. In appearance their form was human, 6 but each of them had four faces and four wings. 7 Their legs were straight; their feet were like those of a calf and gleamed like burnished bronze. 8 Under their wings on their four sides they had human hands. All four of them had faces and wings, 9 and the wings of one touched the wings of another. Each one went straight ahead; they did not turn as they moved.

10 Their faces looked like this: Each of the four had the face of a human being, and on the right side each had the face of a lion, and on the left the face of an ox; each also had the face of an eagle. 11 Such were their faces. They each had two wings spreading out upward, each wing touching that of the creature on either side; and each had two other wings covering its body. 12 Each one went straight ahead. Wherever the spirit would go, they would go, without turning as they went. 13 The appearance of the living creatures was like burning coals of fire or like torches. Fire moved back and forth among the creatures; it was bright, and lightning flashed out of it. 14 The creatures sped back and forth like flashes of lightning.

15 As I looked at the living creatures, I saw a wheel on the ground beside each creature with its four faces. 16 This was the appearance and structure of the wheels: They sparkled like topaz, and all four looked alike. Each appeared to be made like a wheel intersecting a wheel. 17 As they moved, they would go in any one of the four directions the creatures faced; the wheels did not change direction as the creatures went. 18 Their rims were high and awesome, and all four rims were full of eyes all around.

19 When the living creatures moved, the wheels beside them moved; and when the living creatures rose from the ground, the wheels also rose. 20 Wherever the spirit would go, they would go, and the wheels would rise along with them, because the spirit of the living creatures was in the wheels. 21 When the creatures moved, they also moved; when the creatures stood still, they also stood still; and when the creatures rose from the ground, the wheels rose along with them, because the spirit of the living creatures was in the wheels.

22 Spread out above the heads of the living creatures was what looked something like a vault, sparkling like crystal, and awesome. 23 Under the vault their wings were stretched out one toward the other, and each had two wings covering its body. 24 When the creatures moved, I heard the sound of their wings, like the roar of rushing waters, like the voice of the Almighty,[b] like the tumult of an army. When they stood still, they lowered their wings.

25 Then there came a voice from above the vault over their heads as they stood with lowered wings. 26 Above the vault over their heads was what looked like a throne of lapis lazuli, and high above on the throne was a figure like that of a man. 27 I saw that from what appeared to be his waist up he looked like glowing metal, as if full of fire, and that from there down he looked like fire; and brilliant light surrounded him. 28 Like the appearance of a rainbow in the clouds on a rainy day, so was the radiance around him.”

It doesn’t specifically say it is alien lifeforms, but it does make a persuasive description.

LostInParadise's avatar

If aliens did not commit an Original Sin, does that mean they automatically achieve salvation and go to Heaven? Or, Original Sin or no Original Sin, is belief in Jesus as the son of God required, and if so, how would the aliens know about Jesus?

seawulf575's avatar

@LostInParadise The original sin, as described in the Bible, applies to humans. It speaks to us being separate from other beings. God may have something similar for other creations, we just don’t know.

LostInParadise's avatar

Can aliens get into Heaven without knowing about Jesus? Would that make the story of virgin birth, crucifixion and resurrection and second coming completely irrelevant to them? Since God only had one child, shouldn’t that affect their beliefs? Could it be that Jesus is just the only human child of God and that God is responsible for virgin births among aliens?

seawulf575's avatar

@LostInParadise again, I have no idea. Throughout the Bible, it talks about Man. The entire book including both Old and New Testaments are geared toward Man and Man’s relationship to God. It doesn’t talk about the relationship between other entities. It doesn’t specify any other beings or their relationships with God. It could be that God is an alien entitiy unto Himself and other aliens recognize that and have an entirely different understanding of things than Man does.

I do not have a radical view of religion like some. I don’t believe that God exists for Man, I believe Man exists because of God. I believe that God has many other things going on as well as Man.

LostInParadise's avatar

The existence of aliens would seem to diminish the relationship between God and Man. If the second coming only affects life on Earth and has no impact on extraterrestrials, then it does not seem to make that much of a difference.

seawulf575's avatar

Possible. Again, we don’t know God’s relationship with the aliens. It is possible their “second coming” has already occurred. But let me ask…if you have 2 children, does one diminish your relationship with the other?

LostInParadise's avatar

The two children should be treated equally. It would be wrong to provide the equivalent of salvation to one but not to the other.

ragingloli's avatar

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/002/469/392/7db.jpg
Earthlings are probably her least favourite “children”, given that she had to drown everyone once, and they still keep fucking up.
I can easily see all the other species not needing that kind of intervention at all.
Humans are the basement dwelling druggies that have veered off into stabbing passerbys in dark alleys to fund their blow addiction.

LostInParadise's avatar

Here is an article on religion and extraterrestrials. Skip down to the section labeled ET and Salvation. It brings up the discussion of original sin among Catholics. Note that most Evangelicals tend not to believe in extraterrestrials.

seawulf575's avatar

@LostInParadise Exactly my point. If extraterrestrials and humans were both created by God, why should the existence of one diminish the other in the eyes of God?

LostInParadise's avatar

The diminishing is not in the eyes of God but in the view of humans. If Jesus returns and raises the dead only on Earth, the rest of the Universe, including extraterrestrials, goes on the same as before. And how would extraterrestrials even know anything about Jesus, and how likely would they be to believe that God’s only child is in the form of some creature on an alien planet?

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