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What are we to make of Trump's support of striking auto workers?

Asked by LostInParadise (31905points) September 19th, 2023
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Link He says that he is offering to protect them from losing their jobs due to manufacture of electric vehicles. But that is not why the workers are striking. Is Trump saying he supports their salary increase demands?

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Tropical_Willie's avatar

Tomorrow he’ll say he supports the Big 3 . . . .

elbanditoroso's avatar

He is a whore, selling himself for potential votes.

Blackwater_Park's avatar

Those same people got him elected the first time. This is not a surprise.

jca2's avatar

Trump anti union: https://www.epi.org/publication/the-trump-administrations-attacks-on-workplace-union-voting-rights-forewarned-of-the-broader-threats-to-voting-rights-in-the-upcoming-election/

Janus vs. AFSCME https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janus_v._AFSCME#External_links Supreme Court decision under Trump

Here’s an exerpt from the Janus Wiki article: To clarify, Gorsuch was appointed by Trump.

Janus claimed that he should not need to pay fees to AFSCME because doing so constitutes paying for political speech with which Janus disagrees.[5] Under Illinois law, state government can require its employees to pay fees to a government union as a condition of employment. In March 2015, the three government employees represented by attorneys from the Illinois-based Liberty Justice Center and Virginia-based National Right to Work Legal Defense Foundation took legal action to intervene in the case.[6][7][8] In May 2015, after Rauner was dropped from the case, it proceeded under the name Janus v. AFSCME.[9]

Meanwhile, the case of Friedrichs v. California Teachers Ass’n, No. 14–915, 578 U.S. ___ (2016), had been working its way to the Supreme Court, which dealt with a similar complaint. In July 2015, after Friedrichs had been issued certiorari by the Supreme Court, the Illinois suit was put on hold pending Friedrichs. The Supreme Court heard the case, which challenged the Ninth’s Circuit’s decision affirming Abood. Before the Court could issue the decision, however, Justice Antonin Scalia died in February 2016, and the case was decided 4–4, leaving in place the Ninth Circuit decision.[1] Observers believed that the Court would have likely ruled against agency fees based on the progression of the case.[10]

With no decision from Friedrichs, the Illinois cases were restarted. A new complaint was filed by Janus and other plaintiffs, alleging that the fees they paid under an agency-shop agreement violated their First Amendment rights. The unions sought to dismiss the case, arguing that Abood was settled law. The District Court dismissed the case.[11] On appeal in May 2017, the Seventh Circuit affirmed the District Court’s ruling to dismiss the case on the basis of Abood. (16–3638).[12][13]

Supreme Court

On April 10, 2017, Neil Gorsuch was appointed to succeed the late Justice Antonin Scalia. Justice Gorsuch was widely expected to side with conservative bloc, who ruled against the unions in Friedrichs.[14] Observers believed that based on the past deliberations, the decisions in Harris and Friedrichs, and Gorsuch’s conservative jurisprudence, Janus would likely prevail before the Supreme Court.[10] Janus petitioned for a writ of certiorari from the Supreme Court, which was granted on September 28, 2017. The Supreme Court heard the oral argument of the parties on February 26, 2018.

ragingloli's avatar

He is not pro-worker. He is just using them to argue against electric vehicles.

janbb's avatar

I am trying not let anything that Trump (or most politicians for that matter) says get into my head any more. They’ve spent too much time there.

I will rally before the election but I long for the day when I don’t see his picture every day.

Lightlyseared's avatar

Trump isn’t pro workers. He’s anti unions. It may seem the same from a certain perspective but that does t mean it is.

LadyMarissa's avatar

He sold his soul to the devil 50 years ago & the devil stays a minimum of 1 step ahead of him NO matter what he does!!! He’s out for 1 person & 1 person alone…HIMSELF. In his mind, he’s making Biden look bad & winning him the election. Voters seem to have short term memory loss & NOBODY will remember that he used to attack unions & ALL they hear is that he has a plan to save them now. If you ask him HOW he plans to do it, he will respond ”WHY would I tell you that ? I’ll show my base after I win the election.” Now, tomorrow if the political winds change, he WILL flip & be ready to put them out of business once more!!!

Forever_Free's avatar

His words mean nothing.

LadyMarissa's avatar

^^ EXACTLY!!!

seawulf575's avatar

The link in the original question did not work for me…said there was a typo. Seemed odd. But looking at other sources, it appears Trump is not supporting their strike per se. What he did was take this event to attack the union leadership. He pointed out that none of their efforts are actually going to help the unions in the long run. The push by the left to go All Electric All the Time will mean electric vehicles will be manufactured. Most of that manufacturing is going to be in China. For the Big 3 to be pushing EVs on everyone means they will need fewer workers to produce their vehicles (as most of it will be farmed out to China). The Union leadership is not addressing this factor but is, rather, pushing for unrealistic demands in contract negotiations.

Trump’s point is that he doesn’t want to push the EV mania since it makes no sense and he certainly doesn’t want our good jobs being sent overseas. This view is consistent with the first time he ran for office. Effectively he is trying to reach out to the average workers, not the union itself. He isn’t supporting unions, but Amercans.

LostInParadise's avatar

This link should work

seawulf575's avatar

@LostInParadise Thanks, it does work. And it is about what I said it was. And while the Dems and the left don’t want to agree with Trump, he isn’t wrong. Going all EV is horrible for every aspect of our nation, starting with the auto workers. And Union leadership isn’t always working for what is best for the union.

JLeslie's avatar

I can’t open the link provided by the OP. Trump does a lot of double speak and part of how he won was probably union workers, because a lot of blue collar workers seem to believe Trump will help them. I think most union workers are Democrats, but certainly not all. Michigan is fairly purple even the state currently has a lot of Democrats at the top. So, winning Michigan is a big deal.

Trump says plenty of rational things, but the bad things he says cancels it all out. Just last week he said abortion laws at 6 weeks are too extreme. He mentioned DeSantis, so with the abortion issue he is differentiated himself from DeSantis. With the unions he’s probably doing the same, differentiating from other Republican politicians.

In 2015–2016 when he was running he said healthcare is a bunch of thieves, he don’t forgot Bush was president when 9/11 happened. He changed his tune when he got push back.

Dutchess_III's avatar

Whatever, he’s full of shit.

kritiper's avatar

He’s mining them for their support in the upcoming election.

Tropical_Willie's avatar

Head of UAW said Trump should STFU. !

LostInParadise's avatar

Do you have a link for that?

Tropical_Willie's avatar

“Every fiber of our union is being poured into fighting the billionaire class and an economy that enriches people like Donald Trump at the expense of workers,” UAW President Shawn Fain said in an emailed statement. “We can’t keep electing billionaires and millionaires that don’t have any understanding what it is like to live paycheck to paycheck and struggle to get by and expecting them to solve the problems of the working class.”

https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/19/politics/fain-trump-detroit/index.html

seawulf575's avatar

@Tropical_Willie And Unions in our country have a long and cherished history of not doing what is best for their members if it means they can enrich themselves. And the UAW itself is a prime example.

Tropical_Willie's avatar

^^^^ So in YOUR HUMBLE OPINION ^^^^

- – - – Trump is the answer for everything, acid reflex, strikes, wars in the Ukraine . . .

seawulf575's avatar

@Tropical_Willie Why are you so obsessed with Trump? I just pointed out that Union leadership has historically had ethics issues. And I followed it up with an article from CNBC that showed both the president of the UAW and his successor both got arrested for corruption. And I don’t believe you even understand what Trump is doing. He isn’t trying to stop the strike, he is trying to let the union members know what he sees as the problem. It is a problem the leadership is avoiding.

jca2's avatar

This article defines what the three CEOs make in the three companies the union is striking against. (Ford, GM and Stellantis). The article also specifies what the union is looking for, and it mentions the South Korean plants that make the batteries.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/how-much-do-the-ceos-of-ford-general-motors-and-stellantis-make/ar-AA1h16dp

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