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What do you make of the Democrat Representative that pulled the fire alarm?

Asked by seawulf575 (16570points) October 1st, 2023
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Rep Jamaal Bowman (D-NY) pulled a fire alarm just prior to the vote on the spending bill yesterday. His claim is that he thought it was some switch that would open the door to let him in so he could vote on the bill. Is this believable?

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elbanditoroso's avatar

He’s an idiot and should have known better. But it isn’t a federal case.

chyna's avatar

Stupid move. I don’t believe he thought it was a switch to let him in. He should be docked a weeks pay.

elbanditoroso's avatar

However, since he was black, the republicans will want to take him to the woodshed and beat him.

gorillapaws's avatar

“he thought it was some switch that would open the door”

…it was a switch that did open the door, didn’t it?

KNOWITALL's avatar

@elbanditoroso Or another black man used for the Left’s political gain.
They just happened to want to delay the vote when he pulled it. It’s so obvious.

Forever_Free's avatar

If he isn’t capable of opening a door, then he is far from capable at the job he is supposed to be doing.

gondwanalon's avatar

It wasn’t a mistake. He did it on purpose. Why? That should be the question.

Little kids in grade school know what fire alarms are and they know not to activate them (with out a fire).

jca2's avatar

He may have done it on purpose, we’ll never know. He may just be stupid but he’s elected so I don’t think it’s so easy to just oust him from the job he’s doing, like some Republicans are talking about. I don’t think it’s worthy of being ousted.

elbanditoroso's avatar

Somehow pulling a fire alarm doesn’t equal the egregious nature of opening the doors of the capitol on January 6 2021 to the republican coup-makers.

JLeslie's avatar

I didn’t know about this story, but I would assume it was done on purpose. It’s no ok to falsely pull a fire alarm. Usually, the fire department has to come (did that happen?) which wastes resources and if another real fire or accident happens it could delay response time. If people cleared out of the building, people can get hurt clearing a building. It’s just not ok.

SQUEEKY2's avatar

He should face whatever penalty there is for falsely pulling it, even if he thought it was an automatic door opener.

gorillapaws's avatar

I’m inclined to disbelieve his story, but I will add the fact that the Capital Building is extremely old, it does have secret passages and tunnels underneath with security doors and other things that the general public probably isn’t aware of. It’s the kind of place where it’s not entirely inconceivable that special access to certain restricted areas might be concealed in things like fire alarms. It’s also conceivable that the fire switch itself was very old looking and thus may have been confused with one of these cold-war devices. If it looked like this, I think he’s going to have a hard time explaining that away. but if it looked more like this, I could see how he could legitimately been confused—maybe…

seawulf575's avatar

@elbanditoroso That is interesting. Most of the people that were charged on J6 were charged for trespassing and attempting to interfere with government work. Pulling the fire alarm was done at the time that the Dems were trying to delay the vote for the funding bill. So how is it different? Either way it should be a federal crime, right? If you are arresting Granny Hoosier, why wouldn’t you charge this fool? Because he’s a Democrat?

Lightlyseared's avatar

1000’s of people accidentally activate fire alarms every day.
No one has ever accidentally tried to over throw their government. Although I will grant you Trump supporters are stupid enough to make that defence believable.

jca2's avatar

BTW the correct title is “Democratic,” not “Democrat.” To call him a Democrat representative would be like calling someone a Republic representative. Of course, the correct title is “Republican,” not “Republic.”

seawulf575's avatar

@Lightlyseared And Trump supporters only tried to overthrow the government in the narrative of the left. You’ve seen the videos. Most people that were there were protesting. Some got violent. But the 1000+ people that were arrested were not charged with anything like insurrection. In fact no one was. So it is definitely a lefty talking point. Meanwhile many of that 1000+ were charged with Obstructing an Official Proceeding.

So they get charged with the crime of obstructing an official proceeding, yet democrats do not? How does that work? And no, accidental activation doesn’t fly. It was plainly marked “FIRE ALARM”. Or are we going to use the typical Dem excuse….he’s ignorant and incompetent but not criminal?

SQUEEKY2's avatar

Wulfie how do you know it was plainly marked “FIRE ALARM” if it was like the second example @gorillapaws showed 3 posts up I could see it maybe confusing.
But if it was marked like his first example then yeah there really is no excuse.
Also about these trespassers on Jan 6 what was the chant ” Hang Mike Pence” about if all they were doing is trespassing?
Sounded like a threat to do bodily harm to an elected official,big crime there.
Your hate for anything democrat is really showing on all you questions and answers lately.

Forever_Free's avatar

I remember when a kid pulled the Fire Alarm when I was in school. This was the last thing you wanted to do unless we wanted to get suspended, expelled or go to Juvie.

Wait, does this mean that Rep Jamaal Bowman didn’t attend school anywhere? Surely everyone has been schooled on what those look like and to only pull them for the right reason.
His story is pure BS.

seawulf575's avatar

@SQUEEKY2 Here is a picture of the door he was supposedly trying to open. Any other questions? Does it look like it is a quick entry into the Senate chambers? Is it not properly labeled? And look! There is the fire alarm to the left of the door. It’s pretty obvious.

And go back to look at what I wrote about J6. No one was charged with insurrection (the lefty talking point) and yet many were charged with Obstructing an Official Proceeding. This is exactly what Rep Bowman was doing…trying to obstruct an official proceeding. How is this different? Oh yeah…he has a (D) after his name and they didn’t.

Forever_Free's avatar

From the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights Bio for him:
Bowman founded Cornerstone Academy for Social Action (CASA), a Bronx middle school focused on unlocking the natural brilliance of all children through a holistic curriculum, where he served as principal for a decade.

Of course he wasn’t certain what that thing would do or how to get out of that door.
He is used to “Unlocking natural brilliance”.

seawulf575's avatar

@Forever_Free And I’m sure as Principal he had no idea what “Fire Alarms” were, what they looked like and what happens if you pull one. It is amazing, isn’t it?

SQUEEKY2's avatar

Nice try wulfie that photo is a door that leads to outside, the chambers are alfresco?
And you never addressed the chant the “Trespassers” were chanting of hang Mike Pence, but then like most Rep/cons you will just deflect to something else.

SQUEEKY2's avatar

Remember wulfie I am not trying to defend the guy he should be charged whatever penalty there is for falsely pulling the alarm, as for something more sinister behind it, maybe but I doubt anyone can prove it.

gorillapaws's avatar

@SQUEEKY2 It’s the real photo, except it’s not zoomed in enough to see the ridiculously convoluted signage. Bowman was in an entirely different building and had no idea it would trigger an alarm in the main Capital building. These doors are left open on voting days, but someone forgot (that’s the version I heard, anyways). I also heard that it’s common for the fire alarm to go off for this very reason (not sure how reliable that is though). He was running late for the vote and was trying to get there.

If you want to fine him for going out of the wrong door, I think that’s fair, but he’s hardly trying to overthrow the government. I could see myself doing the same thing if I’m trying to race to a critical vote that had the potential to affect millions of lives.

SQUEEKY2's avatar

I am confused the window in the door shows outside.

gorillapaws's avatar

@SQUEEKY2 They are separate buildings. He was leaving the office building to head into the main Capital Building. That’s why it’s hard to believe he was deliberately trying to sabotage the vote. Most people wouldn’t expect the alarm to go off multiple buildings.

seawulf575's avatar

@SQUEEKY2 sigh Do you ever research before you try to say I’m wrong? Here is the picture of him standing right next to that door that is in the picture I showed. His hand is on the fire alarm that is in the picture I showed. And even in the picture @gorillapaws provided, it specifically shows on 2 signs (3, but one is off-screen) that this is an emergency exit only. It tells the user to push the door (not pull the fire alarm) and the alarm will sound and the door will unlock in 30 seconds. Any way you cut it, he was looking to set off an alarm. I suspect he knew the alarm on the door would only sound locally and not throughout the capitol building like the fire alarm would. Door alarms are for security, fire alarms are for safety.

And his claim that this door is usually open seems suspicious. It is clearly marked as an emergency exit. Why was he using it? And why wasn’t he in the Senate chambers well before this?

Again, as we often are with Democrats, we find ourselves debating if he is a criminal or just a complete moron. They frequently claim ignorance and incompetence over criminality and that is what the MSM tries to push.

jca2's avatar

Is he a criminal or a complete moron? That’s debatable.

Is this act the same as the people who bashed in the windows of the Capitol building with axes and sprayed pepper spray on the police on January 6th after cries to “Kill Mike Pence?” I think not but that’s just my opinion.

gorillapaws's avatar

@seawulf575 “And his claim that this door is usually open seems suspicious. It is clearly marked as an emergency exit. ”

To be clear, I don’t know if it was Boman who made that claim. It was something I heard in a video, that these doors are usually left open for the congresspeople on voting days. My wife has been in many of these adjacent buildings and they’re pretty crazy places. I agree though that he definitely knew an alarm would sound.

seawulf575's avatar

@jca2 So if someone just pulled a fire alarm on J6 that would have been okay? It wouldn’t have been Obstructing a Official Procedure?

jca2's avatar

@seawulf575 Do you think it’s the same as smashing windows in the Capital and yelling Kill Mike Pence? I’d be amazed if you think the two things are equivalent.

seawulf575's avatar

@jca2 You are equating different things. Legally, smashing windows is vandalism. It would be charged as such. Yelling Hang Mike Pence might be construed as threatening a public official. So there are other charges that could go with those. But those could also lead to “Obstructing an Official Procedure” which is an entirely separate charge. It is a crime all unto itself. And many that day were being charged with that. So let me ask you, is Obstructing an Official Procedure a crime or not?

jca2's avatar

@seawulf575 I am not a lawyer so I don’t know if it’s a crime or not. Why don’t you tell me?

seawulf575's avatar

I will tell you that since J6 defendants were being charged with it, it is a crime. OR you might say the FBI made that shit up and it isn’t really a crime. But it is a crime. It is a felony as a matter of fact. So J6 people were charged with it, why isn’t Jamaal Bowman being charged with it? Why isn’t the FBI running an investigation into it?

jca2's avatar

I may be wrong but I believe they would interview him and talk to witnesses and then decide whether or not they’d have a case. They’d ask where he was coming from, where he was going, the time frame, what his thought process was, and then they’d talk to others. Did anybody conspire with him? Did he tell anybody about a plan to obstruct anything? Was it an innocent mistake or was there something more sinister going on?

I don’t know if those things occurred. I haven’t really read up on it.

seawulf575's avatar

@jca2 All that an more. They could take his phone to see if he got any text messages telling him to do it or anything to delay the vote. They could do a whole lot. But they haven’t. I doubt they will either, as he has a (D) after his name. If it had been someone with an® there would already be investigations of the sort you and I described. History has shown us that.

elbanditoroso's avatar

Back to my original response – pushing a fire-alarmed door doesn’t come remotely close to trying to overturn an election.

I don’t care how much of a patriot you say you are, the two aren’t the same.

jca2's avatar

Agreed, @elbanditoroso.

seawulf575's avatar

@elbanditoroso So you are comparing an action to a purported (and incorrectly stated) goal. Gee, would you equate pulling a fire alarm to being ushered into the Capitol? That would be an action to an action. Or how about this: Would you equate trying to overthrow an election (your words) with trying to stop a vote that, if not done, would shutdown the government?

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