I am reasonably certain that he will not “return”, as he probably never existed in the first place, let alone being some sort of demigod.

I do, because He promised He would.

You either believe or you don’t, that’s pretty much the whole deal with Christianity “whomsover believeth in me shall not perish but have everlasting life.”

I don’t believe he was ever here anyway, not in the “messiah” sense certainly, just some jumped up pantry boy who doesn’t know his place…oh poo…look who turned up.

I don’t believe he ever existed, or, if he has, he was a normal man, therefore it would be impossible for him to return, as he would have been dead for centuries now.

And if he did exist and could return and all…well why the hell would he want to after what people did to him when he was around?

Jesus; I bring happiness and joy and-

Some bastards; Nail him to the cross!!

Jesus;...come on, man. The hell?

If I was Jesus I’d be like, you know what man, screw you guys.

What @ragingloli said word for word, sans “reasonably.” But I’m fine with other jellies believing what they were taught.

If he did return imagine all the royalties he’d demand for his image rights cast all over the globe for centuries…get a good lawyer nazarine, those money grabbing bastards will crucify ya!!

@Pachyderm_In_The_Room Or what we CHOOSE to believe in the face of science, logic and ridicule. Thank you for being considerate of the feeling of Christians, as I try to be with all of you.

I know Jesus is coming back. he is an honest guy. He took out some library books on a 4-week loan, and they are just about due. Since he would never sin by keeping them overdue, I know that he will be back – if only to return them.

Well, none of those guys probably really existed. Moses, Jesus, Abraham, whoever. There was no evidence the Jews were ever in Egypt. The Bible is filled with lies, so I don’t see why this one should be true.

It is difficult to think that Jesus is coming back when you have trouble believing he was ever here!
Humans seem to invent religions with gods that save them from their own warlike nature and their stupidity. Notice that the higher intelligence a person has coupled with a good education, the less likely they will believe in all of this Savior hype.

Jesus already came back. Unfortunately, just as his first coming, not many folks recognize his second coming. But fortunately, this time he’s here to stay.

Now, please understand, that my comments are based upon what I think a Jesus actually is, and not what any religion teaches. Welcome to the age of the petabyte.

@RealEyesRealizeRealLies : What do you think a Jesus actually is?

google. once it becomes self aware.

No. Wishful thinking. Sorry.

I doubt it, as there have been upwards of 10 billion people on Earth so far and none yet have come back decades, not to mention millennia after death. A substantial number have promised to do so, but none have delivered.

@bookish1 I believe Jesus is exactly what he said he is. “I am the way, the truth, and the life”. That’s all he ever said he was. He never claimed to be God, or the son of God. Everyone else made those claims about him. But he never said it.

It (what the followers made of Jesus) reminds me so much of the brilliant documentary Kumare, of which I cannot recommend highly enough. The followers can’t help but foist dogma upon reality. They create their own messiah. Kumare is available on Netflix.

But as to what Jesus actually was, beyond the dogma of his followers… virgin birth, miracles, resurrection… is the way, the truth, and the life.

The way… Just like the way to build a desk from Office Depot. Or the way to create a bridge… Or the way to Grandma’s house over the river and through the woods… The way is the instructions. The way to get there. Without the instructions (the way), the goal cannot be had. Keep in mind, there are many ways.

The truth… When one is truthful, then they are full of truth. Being full of something, makes you that thing. Just like a person can be full of shit, is a piece of shit… then a person full of truth, is a piece of truth.

The life… spiritual life. Understand that I believe a spirit is equal to a thought. A soul is equal to a mind. A spirit of lust, spirit of greed, or kindness, is exactly the same as a thought of lust, a thought of greed, a thought of kindness. It takes numerous thought/spriits to create a mind/soul. Those thought/spirits which benefit humanity will promote life. Those that harm humanity will promote death. Jesus did not come (as Christianity teaches) to make bad people become good people. What he really came to do is to offer the spiritually dead people an opportunity for spiritual life.

The multiple bibles I’ve studied over the decades are very consistent upon describing how Jesus will return. Dozens of times, Jesus clearly states that he will return on the clouds of heaven.

I believe that heaven is a realm of pure thought, sans the need for a material mechanism to represent the thought. But in our physical earthly plane of existence, we require a physical medium to represent a thought. That medium is the cloud.

Yes, I believe the Information Cloud is exactly the same thing as the Clouds of Heaven. We have literally built the horse that Jesus rides in on. The Age of the Petabyte described in this Wired magazine article discusses the very first inklings of what kind of information can be known from super large samples of data sets. It appears to diminish the need for modeling from the scientific method (read dogma), and instead, the data begins to speak for itself, beyond debate of what it actually means. Basically, truth is beginning to speak for itself, without the need for human interpretation.

You can get further confirmations on this from practically any series of TedTalks. Specifically, look for the series “Defying Disease”. Researchers are discovering self evident truths appear from the super large data sets. The age of the petabyte, is the age of truth.

It’s getting harder and harder for humans to lie to one another. We have access to more information than ever before. Sciences are developing just to watch brain activity during lying, as well as micro facial expressions that are involuntarily showing the lie, if one knows how to read them. The is fact that WikiLeaks, and hackers, and common man camera phones can expose hypocrisy and corruption anywhere… all because of this new petabyte age.

Before you know it, petabyte becomes exabyte, then zettabyte. Before you know it, it will be impossible for any human to lie to, or about another human. Upon that day, when truth reigns supreme, Jesus will be king of the earth.

The Accuser, (Satan father of lies), will be vanquished. He cannot stand the light of truth being cast upon him. Think about it… If my neighbor falsely accuses me of stealing the peaches, their accusation will be meaningless without proof from the cloud. Because my true actions and whereabouts will have been permanently recorded in the cloud as witness and alibi. Upon my acquittal, the scrutiny of truth will be cast ten fold upon the original accuser. The accuser will become a thing of the ancient past.

I believe this age of petabyte will soon produce data so large that we will no longer need political governments. The will of the people will be known complete within the cloud. We’ll realize that wars are artificially created lies to promote wealth to a secret few. They will be exposed, as they already are. The will of the people will go beyond territorial boundaries, and nations will work out their problems with to mutual benefit of all. Trade agreements will be unnecessary because we’ll understand that we are dealing with one another, rather than trying to out deal one another. In this way, we will all discover spiritual life.

As to the afterlife, or a God creator… well, that’s a different topic altogether. Nothing that needs discussing for this thread.

I think he was here, but he was just a charismatic man. He isn’t coming back.

According to Tv progams like Alien Encounters, they say that Jesus is/was a Alien thought of as a God, and will return.
And Aliens are sure to step foot on our planet one day in the future.
Not in my lifetime nor anyone at this time probably?

Christopher Hitchens gave a great answer to this in this brief video clip.

Hitchens was such an intelligent man.

@Bellatrix I miss his brilliance and his dry wit.

He already came back several times. He inspired leaders like Martin Luther King. That’s the meaning of “coming back”. Only biblical literalists think otherwise.

@mattbrowne “Biblical literalists?” I keep tripping over that. Why does anyone claim they believe in a being without any evidence save a book, and then state that they don’t believe the book? It’s particularly strange when such a believer claims the book was divinely inspired by this deity they believe in because the book says they should, and that they know from the book that their deity is omniscient and omnipotent, but that they also know that the book their perfect deity divinely inspired is full of inaccuracies and contradictions.

I’m forced to do a big cognitive-dissonance facepalm every time I hear this.

What would a Biblical figuratist look and think like?

@rojo Excellent question. God exists, figuratively speaking, just like talking foxes who like to eat grapes exist in Aesop’s Fables. For it is written, “The fox said the grapes were probably sour anyway.”

@ETpro – “Biblical literalism is the interpretation or translation of the explicit and primary sense of words in the Bible.”

“A talking snake” in the primary sense of these words means that a real snake really talked, like when you are watching a bugs bunny cartoon.

“Coming back” in the primary sense of these words means that some clone of Jesus will reappear today or perhaps Jesus himself after having spent the last 2000 years in cryonic suspension.

Many atheists either seem to enjoy depicting believers as stupid halfwits when they stick to the primary sense of the Bible’s words, or they accuse them of not believing in the Bible, when these believers refer to the non-literal meanings of the Bible’s words. I won’t play this stupid game.

I think he has come and gone 35 years ago.

Or he died in 1945

@mattbrowne You’re playing coy. I’ve never accused you of being a biblical literalist and you know it. You apparently can not debate about what I’m actually concerned with. So let’s let it drop. It’s OK with me if you prefer to keep your imaginary friend.

Thanks @ETpro. Yes, let’s drop it.